Lets Get CB-03-01 DONE. We are SO close.

[inbrugge]

Comon, guys. I think this is a good effort. If CB is really a great alternative to Fin, then we should really investigate the possibility. Let's not derail the topic to a discussion about 'potential cures'. I'm just trying to save what I have wothout becoming a f'n eunuch.

If CB really halts hair loss 90% and even gives some minimal regrowth with limited side effects, I'm willing to:

-Buy a device for application that would cost up to 1000$
-Buy CB and mix into a well-defined vehicle for 100$/month.

Again, I would willingly spend that. IF the drug and its application was proven to be succesful in maintaing, giving SOME regrowth, and providing limited side effects.

[TimJermaine]

We can start a Skype group maybe and bounce ideas on there if people are down? I think figuring out the polarity of CB in an effort to use the Galvanizing device seems like our best bet, since it's based on the techniques used by Cosmo (I think?). Like someone said earlier, the industry is making a joke out of us, getting hopes us and then delaying it some more. I started thinning in 2010 and was CERTAIN by 2015 we'd have a cure based on all the Histogen studies and what not. Well I don't even know where those 5 years went but here we are, 2015 in less than 4 months. I think it's going to come down to our investigations BASED on the studies released - just like with RU. Obviously the big companies have an advantage because they can fund these huge studies, but we have the advantage on them that we have a NON monetary incentive. I would also be willing to pay 100 dollars a month to keep what I have, and then get a decent transplant and go back to the glory days.

[FearTheLoss]

at least CB is in the middle of phase 2 proof of concept trials..we could have this within 3 years, commercially.

[Paul73]

The CB Group (to test and find a effective vehicle) is a great idea. I would like to participate. I am not from the USA but i can contribute with these efforts.

I fight mpb for almost 20 years and it´s always the same 5 years away talk. Nothing changes. So i agree that CB is the way to go right now.

[TimJermaine]

I think we should compile a list of independent labs that would be willing to test the polarity of CB or help us find a vehicle by testing absorption. Anyone else agree?

[hairbackpls]

I think we should compile a list of independent labs that would be willing to test the polarity of CB or help us find a vehicle by testing absorption. Anyone else agree?

+1

[Paul73]

I think we should compile a list of independent labs that would be willing to test the polarity of CB or help us find a vehicle by testing absorption. Anyone else agree?

yes, i agree. I think the first step is to test the purity of CB from Kane and from Iron Dragon. If their substances are not the real CB, we will have to wait for Cosmos product for acne and then find a way to adapt it to the scalp since the absorption is different.

Does it make sense? Sorry for my english.

[joachim]

I think we should compile a list of independent labs that would be willing to test the polarity of CB or help us find a vehicle by testing absorption. Anyone else agree?

yes, totally agreed. we could hire a competent lab which creates a nice vehicle. i don't think this is rocket science. for chemical labs such a task is relatively easy i guess. if it takes 50.000 dollars to pay the lab then why not? this would be easily crowdfunded by us. we wouldn't have to wait on cosmo. who knows how long cosmo will take. it can be 3 years, but it can also be 5 years or even longer. they seem not to be in a hurry. so screw them. we should have CB by NOW.

[FearTheLoss]

yes, totally agreed. we could hire a competent lab which creates a nice vehicle. i don't think this is rocket science. for chemical labs such a task is relatively easy i guess. if it takes 50.000 dollars to pay the lab then why not? this would be easily crowdfunded by us. we wouldn't have to wait on cosmo. who knows how long cosmo will take. it can be 3 years, but it can also be 5 years or even longer. they seem not to be in a hurry. so screw them. we should have CB by NOW.

what do you mean "the seem not to be in a hurry"? They are in phase II trials and haven't had any set backs whatsoever.

[joachim]

what do you mean "the seem not to be in a hurry"? They are in phase II trials and haven't had any set backs whatsoever.

yeah, that's true. but they set the priority for the acne product much higher.
and i'm frustrated because phase 2 still means many years of waiting, because phase 3 has to be done as well.
and what if CB doesn't lead to superior results? what if they can only reach the efficiency of minox or fin? they will say: hey, we already have fin and minox on the market, there's no need to make an expensive phase 3 and release the product then. they don't see how bad those existing treatments are for many people. even if CB has "only" the exact same efficiency like minox and fin, it's at least almost side-effect free (as far as we know.). but will they release it if it doesn't give much better results than fin or minox? i don't think so. they simply don't see the needs.
i wouldn't be surprised if cosmo decides to quit the hairloss product somewhen. currently, from all the info we have, it doesn't look like they will quit. but it's possible. and what then? we still have no solution and the waiting game for new treatments starts again from zero. wasted years.

[FearTheLoss]

yeah, that's true. but they set the priority for the acne product much higher.
and i'm frustrated because phase 2 still means many years of waiting, because phase 3 has to be done as well.
and what if CB doesn't lead to superior results? what if they can only reach the efficiency of minox or fin? they will say: hey, we already have fin and minox on the market, there's no need to make an expensive phase 3 and release the product then. they don't see how bad those existing treatments are for many people. even if CB has "only" the exact same efficiency like minox and fin, it's at least almost side-effect free (as far as we know.). but will they release it if it doesn't give much better results than fin or minox? i don't think so. they simply don't see the needs.
i wouldn't be surprised if cosmo decides to quit the hairloss product somewhen. currently, from all the info we have, it doesn't look like they will quit. but it's possible. and what then? we still have no solution and the waiting game for new treatments starts again from zero. wasted years.

I think they will release it, even if they only meet the same statistical success as propecia, in regards to stopping hairloss/promoting growth, because they state that there are products that work well, but the market needs something that works well and doesn't have dire side effects.

[joachim]

I think they will release it, even if they only meet the same statistical success as propecia, in regards to stopping hairloss/promoting growth, because they state that there are products that work well, but the market needs something that works well and doesn't have dire side effects.

i hope so

[TimJermaine]

yes, totally agreed. we could hire a competent lab which creates a nice vehicle. i don't think this is rocket science. for chemical labs such a task is relatively easy i guess. if it takes 50.000 dollars to pay the lab then why not? this would be easily crowdfunded by us. we wouldn't have to wait on cosmo. who knows how long cosmo will take. it can be 3 years, but it can also be 5 years or even longer. they seem not to be in a hurry. so screw them. we should have CB by NOW.

Cool, I completely agree. What would be the search criteria for these labs? By that I mean what should I be looking for on Google before sending emails inquiring about our project? Something like "independent chemical testing lab"? Anything more specific?

[joachim]

Cool, I completely agree. What would be the search criteria for these labs? By that I mean what should I be looking for on Google before sending emails inquiring about our project? Something like "independent chemical testing lab"? Anything more specific?

i have absolutely no clue how to search for such a lab. but i think we have some members here who have more experience or more ideas how to find such a lab.

[cthulhu2]

yes, totally agreed. we could hire a competent lab which creates a nice vehicle. i don't think this is rocket science. for chemical labs such a task is relatively easy i guess. if it takes 50.000 dollars to pay the lab then why not? this would be easily crowdfunded by us. we wouldn't have to wait on cosmo. who knows how long cosmo will take. it can be 3 years, but it can also be 5 years or even longer. they seem not to be in a hurry. so screw them. we should have CB by NOW.

I am doubtful that they are not in a hurry, these things take a lot of time and cb is not their only drug that they are studying. Patents typically last 15 years and are initiated immediately when a firm begins studying a drug. Pharmaceutical companies try to get a product out asap before that patent expires, because the drug loses 95% of its value when generics come out. In fact, manufacturers are already producing large amounts of the drug before the patent even expires. People assume that other drugs like ru, asc-j9, neosh101 never made it because pharma companies are just lazy or didnt have enough funding. This is bs because a product that is effective and safe would have no trouble getting funding.

As a side note, if cb makes it to market it will be expensive as hell and not covered by insurance (cosmetic purposes).