Pilox Update

[Pentarou]

WTF ? "A simple request", he means that he told me that I shouldnt post anymore in the thread. Then he says "If I wanted people silenced then I would have been silent myself would I not?" ? So there he is actually denying he silenced me ? Can you ask him what that 'simple request' then was, according to him ? His literal request was "I am sorry but I am going to have to ask you not to post anymore in the Pilox thread". If he's denying that now, he's even more pathetic than I figured.


Oh yeah ? That's odd, I can't recall one single post of him doing that. Instead he PM-ed me, telling me he agreed it was a scam. He never even said ANYTHING remotely critical at all in public. Too scared his cash cow would run away. Can he please post some examples, from the time period when I was still active there ? Thanks ! He might have become more vocal after he banned me but in that time period when he silenced me he never said anything remotely critical.

Monty's response:

"I am not denying I asked you to stop posting in the thread. I did ask you to stop posting in the thread for 2 reasons; a- you are a counterproductive conversation stifling pain in the ass and b; - I wanted vraf to stay so we could get to the truth of the matter, whatever that may be. You were sabotaging that possibility with your relentless shit.

Here's what I've added to that thread regarding MY critique. Get anyone you like to validate that these are real quotes. BTW this is the end of our discussion cos I think you are just a troll with far more time than myself to kill!"

Agreed. I also think the photos are poor and it's valid critique but casting aspersions is another matter. Arash, final warning bud, seriously.

Even if the hair is the same length photos can look that different anyway. A lot more different in fact with hair the same length. So the fact that the hair is longer just makes it even worse of a comparison. It's literally nothing.
As I say I could take 2 photos that look that different of a persons scalp within seconds of each other by only subtly changing a few factors, or even by pure accident.

I'm sorry guys and I apologise to vraff in advance as I appreciate his taking the time here but....
I can, right this minute take photos of my own scalp in exactly the same light at exactly the same length of hair of course and show you images that present a vastly different picture, good or bad. And that is even if I cut it short like Vraffs
Currently those pics mean absolutely nothing! Zero evidence!
14 years of looking at and taking pics of scalps here. I'm sorry!

[Arashi]

Monty's response:

"I am not denying I asked you to stop posting in the thread. I did ask you to stop posting in the thread for 2 reasons; a- you are a counterproductive conversation stifling pain in the ass and b; - I wanted vraf to stay so we could get to the truth of the matter, whatever that may be. You were sabotaging that possibility with your relentless shit.

So now he finally IS admitting he silenced me and that he wanted me to stop posting cause vraf didnt like my criticism. That's at least something. And not sure what 'relentless shit' this idiot is talking about, I never said something insulting, the way he's adressing me now is way worse than I EVER acted there. Monty should get his face ouf of his ass. Yeah that's about Monty's way of discussion. And as far as those quotes, that's why I said:

Can he please post some examples, from the time period when I was still active there ?

cause those last posts are from June, after he banned me. This 'big dark power behind the scene' (or how does this nerd call himself nowadays in his signatures) is full of it. PM-ing me he thinks Pilox is scam but at the same time allowing those scammers to keep posting, cause 99% of the page hits for his pathetic little forum were from that Pilox thread. Can people be more hypocritical than that ? I wish him good luck with his shitty forum, 99% of the posts are jarjarbinx there anyway so who cares. I'd rather stay on a forum where ALL opinions are welcome, even if a mod doesn't like them.

Thanks god the bald TRUTH forum exists ...

[rhysmorgan]

So now he finally IS admitting he silenced me and that he wanted me to stop posting cause vraf didnt like my criticism. That's at least something. And not sure what 'relentless shit' this idiot is talking about, I never said something insulting, the way he's adressing me now is way worse than I EVER acted there. Monty should get his face ouf of his ass. Yeah that's about Monty's way of discussion. And as far as those quotes, that's why I said:
cause those last posts are from June, after he banned me. This 'big dark power behind the scene' (or how does this nerd call himself nowadays in his signatures) is full of it. PM-ing me he thinks Pilox is scam but at the same time allowing those scammers to keep posting, cause 99% of the page hits for his pathetic little forum were from that Pilox thread. Can people be more hypocritical than that ? I wish him good luck with his shitty forum, 99% of the posts are jarjarbinx there anyway so who cares. I'd rather stay on a forum where ALL opinions are welcome, even if a mod doesn't like them.

Thanks god the bald TRUTH forum exists ...

I'm going to regret getting involved in this...but...

Arash, I'm afraid to say he does has a point. You don't argue against something as much as you attempt to shut down discussion of it. Your debating style tends to be spammy and overbearing, when all the evidence has yet to be gathered regarding piloxll. I've noticed you've done it on these boards. I even had to preface some comments as I'd presumed you'd jump all over it. Maybe you should look at how you debate and be a bit more open to minor criticism about your debating style.

[Arashi]

I'm going to regret getting involved in this...but...

Arash, I'm afraid to say he does has a point. You don't argue against something as much as you attempt to shut down discussion of it. Your debating style tends to be spammy and overbearing, when all the evidence has yet to be gathered regarding piloxll. I've noticed you've done it on these boards. I even had to preface some comments as I'd presumed you'd jump all over it. Maybe you should look at how you debate and be a bit more open to minor criticism about your debating style.

In my opinion there's only one thing worse than hairloss and that are scammers who try to make a buck out of our misery. My mission has always been to expose them, like I exposed Nigam and that's why I just built this website regarding HASCI:

http://www.hasci-exposed.com/

I have no respect for scammers. They're scum of the earth. There's no way I'm going to talk 'nice' about them. That being said, until I was 100% certain Pilox was a scam (when people found out Yoram was selling blood sucking leechers, acupuncture and other scam therapies), I didn't make any single insult to Yoram or VRAF. I'm all for debating without insults. And if a forum visitor still feels offendend, in general just inform the mods and they will help you out by either editing the post or blocking the user.

People like JarJarbinx have defended and promoted dangerous doctors like Nigam, who almost literally killed a patient (by not filtering and directly injecting animal serum), ruined people's hair and donor (ask Tom Vercetti) and almost ruined their lives by implanting grafts upside down. Ask Boldy, his upside down growing grafts are STILL causing infections. Mwamba confirmed these grafts produced ingrown hairs for about 5 cm, how scary is that ...

My point is, if you don't allow criticism on a forum, then all this can become very dangerous and literally can sometimes mean death (Wesley was hospitized after his immune system started attacking himself due to Nigam's animal serum injections). Maybe you don't like my posting style, but my posts sure as hell have made this world a little bit better, by halting scammers like Nigam as soon as possible.

[brunobald]

"That being said, until I was 100% certain Pilox was a scam (when people found out Yoram was selling blood sucking leechers, acupuncture and other scam therapies)"

Arashi the fact is Pilox was developed at technion university (http://www.technion.ac.il/) and has very little to do with Yoram. Yoram was charged with taking test measurments and looking after the clients using Pilox So really calling this a scam based on anything Yoram has done in the past is short sighted. For the record I think Yorams past is actually quite good and I disagree that he is involved with scammy treatments.

[NeedHairASAP]

"That being said, until I was 100% certain Pilox was a scam (when people found out Yoram was selling blood sucking leechers, acupuncture and other scam therapies)"

Arashi the fact is Pilox was developed at technion university (http://www.technion.ac.il/) and has very little to do with Yoram. Yoram was charged with taking test measurments and looking after the clients using Pilox So really calling this a scam based on anything Yoram has done in the past is short sighted. For the record I think Yorams past is actually quite good and I disagree that he is involved with scammy treatments.

Arashi also was certain that vraf was involved... and we are now certain he isn't. But arashi doesn't mention that defunct prediction of his...

Also, on top of Bruno's great post,

leeches are used every single day for microscopic surgeries in the united states... so use of leeches isn't medieval... at all. That's not to say I'm lining up to use them as a baldness cure, but to say leeches aren't used in modern times is 100% verifiabley false.

Again, logic is very flawed.

[Arashi]

" For the record I think Yorams past is actually quite good and I disagree that he is involved with scammy treatments.

You can disagree, but it's just a fact that his clinic sells all kinds of scam therapies. Acupuncture, blood sucking leeches, all that kind of stuff. But that wasn't everything, there was several other reasons. BTW, what makes you think it was developed by that university and not by Yoram ? Yoram told himself that he'd developed it.

[brunobald]

It was developed by dov ingman a Prof at the university. Both yoram and vraf will confirm this, you can also confirm this by looking at the names on the patent. Erez manor is the other inventor he is a phd student from the same uni. together they formed a company called pilogics, this is the company that employs yoram.

[rhysmorgan]

In my opinion there's only one thing worse than hairloss and that are scammers who try to make a buck out of our misery. My mission has always been to expose them, like I exposed Nigam and that's why I just built this website regarding HASCI:

http://www.hasci-exposed.com/

I have no respect for scammers. They're scum of the earth. There's no way I'm going to talk 'nice' about them. That being said, until I was 100% certain Pilox was a scam (when people found out Yoram was selling blood sucking leechers, acupuncture and other scam therapies), I didn't make any single insult to Yoram or VRAF. I'm all for debating without insults. And if a forum visitor still feels offendend, in general just inform the mods and they will help you out by either editing the post or blocking the user.

People like JarJarbinx have defended and promoted dangerous doctors like Nigam, who almost literally killed a patient (by not filtering and directly injecting animal serum), ruined people's hair and donor (ask Tom Vercetti) and almost ruined their lives by implanting grafts upside down. Ask Boldy, his upside down growing grafts are STILL causing infections. Mwamba confirmed these grafts produced ingrown hairs for about 5 cm, how scary is that ...

My point is, if you don't allow criticism on a forum, then all this can become very dangerous and literally can sometimes mean death (Wesley was hospitized after his immune system started attacking himself due to Nigam's animal serum injections). Maybe you don't like my posting style, but my posts sure as hell have made this world a little bit better, by halting scammers like Nigam as soon as possible.

Ah, I'm not saying criticism is wrong. Robust criticism is, as you've pointed out, totally necessary as there are so many scammers. However, you shouldn't shut down someone as a scammer until they've product and evidence released. Then, you can let rip as far as I'm concerned, but I don't think it's helpful to discredit something so strongly before it's been released in any significant form, either commercially or evidentially.

[bigentries]

It was developed by dov ingman a Prof at the university. Both yoram and vraf will confirm this, you can also confirm this by looking at the names on the patent. Erez manor is the other inventor he is a phd student from the same uni. together they formed a company called pilogics, this is the company that employs yoram.

Well, the Ingman is also involved in this:

http://www.leorex-cosmetics.com/Scientific+%26+Medical+Advisory.html

Read what someone thinks about that company

http://skinactives.websitetoolbox.com/post/leorex-1443420

He is also mentioned here as a "genius professor of physics"

http://www.deta-elis-uk.com/shop/delor-single-treatment-pack/

Seems like the Ingman guy is very similar to Yoram

Ah, I'm not saying criticism is wrong. Robust criticism is, as you've pointed out, totally necessary as there are so many scammers. However, you shouldn't shut down someone as a scammer until they've product and evidence released. Then, you can let rip as far as I'm concerned, but I don't think it's helpful to discredit something so strongly before it's been released in any significant form, either commercially or evidentially.

A product is not necessary to give criticism or accuse someone of being an scammer. And the guy did released evidence, Arashi and other analysed it and it didn't made sense.

The problem with Pilox, unlike something like the chloride guy, is that many people blindly sided with him. Take the NeedHairASAP example, he admits Yoram lied about the macro pics, but back then he claimed they were "real and the results were nothing short of amazing" and started to campaign against the skeptics.

You can say it wasn't helpful to discredit him, but whatever his supporters did was far worse, they are the reason why scammers see bald people as an easy target

Arashi also was certain that vraf was involved... and we are now certain he isn't. But arashi doesn't mention that defunct prediction of his...

Also, on top of Bruno's great post,

leeches are used every single day for microscopic surgeries in the united states... so use of leeches isn't medieval... at all. That's not to say I'm lining up to use them as a baldness cure, but to say leeches aren't used in modern times is 100% verifiabley false.

Again, logic is very flawed.

What about acupuncture? You seem to forget that. And why are you so sure vraf isn't involved? Do you just believe he isn't like you believed the results were "nothing short of amazing"?

[bigentries]

Is this the Erez Manor from Pilox?

https://vimeo.com/77083137

Seems like Dov Ingman is also involved in that

http://www.seacretspa.com/Wrinkles-Treatment-with-Recover

Seems like the company is a pyramid scheme

http://scamxposer.com/business-review/seacret-direct/

http://www.deadseareview.com/seacret-direct-compensation-plan/

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=150113

[hellouser]

In my opinion there's only one thing worse than hairloss and that are scammers who try to make a buck out of our misery.

I hope the absolute worst for these people. Not only are we already treated like trash in society, but now we have to be taken advantage of and have our money taken away for some FAKE product?

[sascha]

I agree with hell and arashi 100%. The scammers are already enough for me to hope a efficient new drug/treatment gets released real soon, so these people will never earn a dime in their life again. Organisations like the FDA let things like this happen but prevent serious research to evolve at a pace thats adequate. Go figure.

[hellouser]

I agree with hell and arashi 100%. The scammers are already enough for me to hope a efficient new drug/treatment gets released real soon, so these people will never earn a dime in their life again. Organisations like the FDA let things like this happen but prevent serious research to evolve at a pace thats adequate. Go figure.

It's nice to know that the FDA basically chokes progress on new treatments. How the hell can you know if a treatment works or not if you dont get people to actually USE it? They limit new treatments so ****ing much... They could at least do conditional releases like Japan does.

[sascha]

Well Replicel posted something on their Twitter page. Supposedly the FDA is trying to step up....I am pretty angry that it took them so long. Was it really necessary to let Japan become the leader to figure out that something is wrong. As soon as a treatment shows safety and results it should be partially available, it would improve so many lifes.