Are we at another 5 year standstill ?

[sascha]

Why donīt we just call in one time and ask spencer if he could give an all-around-update.
I am sure he spoke with Cotsarelis by now and knows definitly more about Histogen, Replicel, Dr. Wesley, Tu Berlin & Co. Hair transplants and robots sound cool and s***, but an update would be nice.

[kobefan234]

it's worse. we're on a 30 year timeframe now.

[bananana]

we're on 150 years timeframe, they can TELEPORT things now, but baldness, it wont be solved for another 2 centuries.


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[Arashi]

No idea, This whole WCHR 2014 Presentations is a mess, i have no idea about anything.. from what others users said, nothing will be released in the near future..

Well you can see everything here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJn...bGaoOWFS6kRxDQ

Most of the video's are quite technical but most of them are understandable on a general level. Most interesting video I think is from Beren Atac, where she demonstrates that bio reactor. I always figured, if you grow organs in the lab, how do you 'feed' the cells and how do you make sure blood is pumping along the right way while the organ is growing ? That's all that that bio reactor does ! So a great great tool.

Other than that, pretty much everybody nowadays seems to be working to solve the 'final' piece of the puzzle: improving the hair inducing ability of cultured DP cells. But nobody knows what the 'missing link' is there. The most obvious things have been tried, all to no success. Maybe somebody gets it working tomorrow. But then again, maybe it will take 30 years. I think it's impossible for anyone to say something useful about that. A decade ago the 'missing link' was 'just' to culture DP cells. We've made some success now in that decade but who knows how long the last part will take ... Optimists will say we're really close now and it even could be any day now. Pessimists will say that it wont happen in our lifetime ...

[sdsurfin]

Well you can see everything here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJn...bGaoOWFS6kRxDQ

Most of the video's are quite technical but most of them are understandable on a general level. Most interesting video I think is from Beren Atac, where she demonstrates that bio reactor. I always figured, if you grow organs in the lab, how do you 'feed' the cells and how do you make sure blood is pumping along the right way while the organ is growing ? That's all that that bio reactor does ! So a great great tool.

Other than that, pretty much everybody nowadays seems to be working to solve the 'final' piece of the puzzle: improving the hair inducing ability of cultured DP cells. But nobody knows what the 'missing link' is there. The most obvious things have been tried, all to no success. Maybe somebody gets it working tomorrow. But then again, maybe it will take 30 years. I think it's impossible for anyone to say something useful about that. A decade ago the 'missing link' was 'just' to culture DP cells. We've made some success now in that decade but who knows how long the last part will take ... Optimists will say we're really close now and it even could be any day now. Pessimists will say that it wont happen in our lifetime ...

I'm a pessimist but there's a lot of misinformation here. Firstly, as far as culturing DP cells is concerned, a lot of progress HAS been made. They did try the obvious things, and the obvious things are working to some extent. 3D culturing helped, adding other cells helped, adding nutrient flow helped. I don't think there are many mysteries, it's just a matter of optimizing the tools that they are working with. Science is progressing exponentially in every field. They mdd the first lab grown follicle in 2010 or so (if i'm correct). That is only 4 years ago. I highly doubt it will take 30 years to solve the issues that we can identify today. However, the problem is that we have no idea what other problems lie ahead. Even though I don't see things moving that quickly, I'd venture to say that there will be follicles grown in the next ten years that can induce hair in someone's head. How long it will take to make those follicles look right and act right I have no idea. It could be easy once the follicles are correct or it could be very difficult. In any case, the reality of trials and testing makes me think it's very unlikely that this type of incredible treatment will be available this decade at the very least. I do think that better treatments will come before then, and hopefully the guys who are under 25 will get to take advantage of most of these things. I'm extremely confident that the generations reading this forum will be the last to have to use propecia and rogaine.

As for us, the best thing is to not be a pansy and treat this like every other great man has, as something marginal to success and happiness. Don't listen to losers like hellouser, that guy makes me so mad. there is no conspiracy to publicly humiliate bald men (at least if you're not in high school, and HS sucks for everyone). I have been on earth 32 years and have never seen anyone publicly humiliated for being bald. My bald friend are very well loved and respected. Every person has insecurities about some part of their body, and people who mock those things are not worth anyones time. I have tons of bald friends and none of them get mocked for it. Also, the claim that you are marked as being a "bottom feeder" is completely ridiculous. In most countries people don't even notice baldness very much, and in my experience success and respect have zero correlation with baldness. The last 5 girls Ive been with have all dated bald men at some point, and did not see those guys as being inferior in any way. If anything, when I see a man with a shaved head he looks pretty powerful and respct-worthy. I know many bald guys who are more successful at jobs and with women than their hairy brothers. To suggest otherwise is to undermine yourself as a balding guy and to insult people like my grandfather, who went bald early and still was a badass and very respected and successful man, not a wingeing little complainer who thinks the world hates him or even gives two shits how much hair is on his head. This genetic condition is so common that to think anyone really cares about it is stupid. Everyone has a bald relative, and most of us go bald sooner or later. If you act like a bottom feeder, that's how you will be treated, it has nothing to do with hair. Your statements about bottom feeding etc just illustrate how much a part of a shallow capitalist mindset you are, you're being worse than the people you accuse of humiliating bald guys for their benefit. There's nothing inferior about being bald, it's just different, and when people like you go online and tell young guys that the world sees them as being inferior because of their hair, you are perpetuating a feeling that being bald is something to be ashamed of and angry about. The bald guys I know who are themselves, don't hide it, and don't have a problem with it are not looked down upon at all. it's only the guys who see themselves as inferior and wear toupees and hide their shame that get made fun of.

[Arashi]

I'm a pessimist but there's a lot of misinformation here.

What do you mean ?

However, the problem is that we have no idea what other problems lie ahead.

Exactly. It was the same as with AIDS. I remember how a professor said in 1997 that they were SO close to curing it, that he'd inject himself with HIV in 2000 regardless. I hope he didnt do that They've been SO close to curing AIDS for about 20 years now. It's just that you never know what's around the corner. Same as with growing hair follicles. Could be tomorrow, could be in 30 years. If I HAD to make a prediction though, I'd say, a pre-clinical cure will be found in 5 years and 10 years later you can go to a clinic in the Western World to get a full head of hair again. But again, it might happen tomorrow or it might happen in 30 years ... Who knows man.

[LMS]

We're always at another 5 year standstill. I guarantee it!

[35YrsAfter]

I'm a pessimist but there's a lot of misinformation here. Firstly, as far as culturing DP cells is concerned, a lot of progress HAS been made. They did try the obvious things, and the obvious things are working to some extent. 3D culturing helped, adding other cells helped, adding nutrient flow helped. I don't think there are many mysteries, it's just a matter of optimizing the tools that they are working with. Science is progressing exponentially in every field. They mdd the first lab grown follicle in 2010 or so (if i'm correct). That is only 4 years ago. I highly doubt it will take 30 years to solve the issues that we can identify today. However, the problem is that we have no idea what other problems lie ahead. Even though I don't see things moving that quickly, I'd venture to say that there will be follicles grown in the next ten years that can induce hair in someone's head. How long it will take to make those follicles look right and act right I have no idea. It could be easy once the follicles are correct or it could be very difficult. In any case, the reality of trials and testing makes me think it's very unlikely that this type of incredible treatment will be available this decade at the very least. I do think that better treatments will come before then, and hopefully the guys who are under 25 will get to take advantage of most of these things. I'm extremely confident that the generations reading this forum will be the last to have to use propecia and rogaine.

As for us, the best thing is to not be a pansy and treat this like every other great man has, as something marginal to success and happiness. Don't listen to losers like hellouser, that guy makes me so mad. there is no conspiracy to publicly humiliate bald men (at least if you're not in high school, and HS sucks for everyone). I have been on earth 32 years and have never seen anyone publicly humiliated for being bald. My bald friend are very well loved and respected. Every person has insecurities about some part of their body, and people who mock those things are not worth anyones time. I have tons of bald friends and none of them get mocked for it. Also, the claim that you are marked as being a "bottom feeder" is completely ridiculous. In most countries people don't even notice baldness very much, and in my experience success and respect have zero correlation with baldness. The last 5 girls Ive been with have all dated bald men at some point, and did not see those guys as being inferior in any way. If anything, when I see a man with a shaved head he looks pretty powerful and respct-worthy. I know many bald guys who are more successful at jobs and with women than their hairy brothers. To suggest otherwise is to undermine yourself as a balding guy and to insult people like my grandfather, who went bald early and still was a badass and very respected and successful man, not a wingeing little complainer who thinks the world hates him or even gives two shits how much hair is on his head. This genetic condition is so common that to think anyone really cares about it is stupid. Everyone has a bald relative, and most of us go bald sooner or later. If you act like a bottom feeder, that's how you will be treated, it has nothing to do with hair. Your statements about bottom feeding etc just illustrate how much a part of a shallow capitalist mindset you are, you're being worse than the people you accuse of humiliating bald guys for their benefit. There's nothing inferior about being bald, it's just different, and when people like you go online and tell young guys that the world sees them as being inferior because of their hair, you are perpetuating a feeling that being bald is something to be ashamed of and angry about. The bald guys I know who are themselves, don't hide it, and don't have a problem with it are not looked down upon at all. it's only the guys who see themselves as inferior and wear toupees and hide their shame that get made fun of.

Excellent post. As I have posted here several times, the most popular man I have ever met with women is a Norwood 6 friend of mine. He has no hair on top and shaves his head. His head is a little pointed on top, so it's not the perfect shape. He's not very tall. I estimate about 5' 8". He isn't rich. In fact he has financial problems. He does have self confidence, a good smile and knows how to talk to women. He has been married twice. One was a "D", pretty swimsuit contest winner. The other was reasonably good looking and a double D. One time after his last divorce, his ex pissed him off while they were trying to make things work. He went to Starbucks at around 8am. Around 5PM he showed me texts from 5 women wanting to spend time, go to a movie, dinner, etc. One time I went with him to Starbucks and one of the employees, obviously smitten, gave him a gift wrapped package. My Norwood 6 friend knows I work for Dr. Cole and simply has no interest whatsoever in having hair.

On the other hand, there's our acquaintance who has a full head of hair and a negative loser attitude. He's now over 50 and has had one girlfriend his entire life. His voice drones of despair and defeat. He views people he meets as potential counselors, shares his personal problems with them and sucks the life force out of people like an emotional leech.

35YrsAfter also posts as CITNews and works at Dr. Cole's office - forhair.com - Cole Hair Transplant, 1045 Powers Place, Alpharetta, Georgia 30009 - Phone 678-566-1011 - email 35YrsAfter at chuck@forhair.com
The contents of my posts are my opinions and not medical advice
Please feel free to call or email me with any questions. Ask for Chuck

[Arashi]

Excellent post. As I have posted here several times, the most popular man I have ever met with women is a Norwood 6 friend of mine. He has no hair on top and shaves his head. His head is a little pointed on top, so it's not the perfect shape. He's not very tall. I estimate about 5' 8". He isn't rich. In fact he has financial problems. He does have self confidence, a good smile and knows how to talk to women. He has been married twice. One was a "D", pretty swimsuit contest winner. The other was reasonably good looking and a double D. One time after his last divorce, his ex pissed him off while they were trying to make things work. He went to Starbucks at around 8am. Around 5PM he showed me texts from 5 women wanting to spend time, go to a movie, dinner, etc. One time I went with him to Starbucks and one of the employees, obviously smitten, gave him a gift wrapped package. My Norwood 6 friend knows I work for Dr. Cole and simply has no interest whatsoever in having hair.

On the other hand, there's our acquaintance who has a full head of hair and a negative loser attitude. He's now over 50 and has had one girlfriend his entire life. His voice drones of despair and defeat. He views people he meets as potential counselors, shares his personal problems with them and sucks the life force out of people like an emotional leech.

35YrsAfter also posts as CITNews and works at Dr. Cole's office - forhair.com - Cole Hair Transplant, 1045 Powers Place, Alpharetta, Georgia 30009 - Phone 678-566-1011 - email 35YrsAfter at chuck@forhair.com
The contents of my posts are my opinions and not medical advice
Please feel free to call or email me with any questions. Ask for Chuck

And finally I can agree with something you say, 35yearsafter. People who overestimate the importance of looks usually lack the needed (social) skills , so they dont understand how important that factor is when it comes to women. They fail with women and blame it on their hairloss, while they don't realize that they dress horrible, their voice is at an irritating pitch, they dont know how to make an interesting conversation, they never smile, they look like they want to kill themselves and they just have 0 game in general. Yes, looks do matter but they're not nearly as important as some people seam to think here. And people who disagree (and believe that you can only have good looking women if you look like David Beckham) : I have news for you, you DO fall into that category !

[FearTheLoss]

And finally I can agree with something you say, 35yearsafter. People who overestimate the importance of looks usually lack the needed (social) skills , so they dont understand how important that factor is when it comes to women. They fail with women and blame it on their hairloss, while they don't realize that they dress horrible, their voice is at an irritating pitch, they dont know how to make an interesting conversation, they never smile, they look like they want to kill themselves and they just have 0 game in general. Yes, looks do matter but they're not nearly as important as some people seam to think here. And people who disagree (and believe that you can only have good looking women if you look like David Beckham) : I have news for you, you DO fall into that category !

+1

That's why I think some people need to see a psychiatrist rather than a dermatologist. However, some people also want to do it for themselves and what they think about their outward image. Personally, I could shave my head, be a nw7, and get SMP to frame my face and I wouldn't have any problem getting about any woman I want. I'm going to be in med school, I'm in great shape and I have a great personality. However, I think some of it is also the aspect of having something happen to you that you cannot control. I'm also a young hair loss sufferer, so my view may be different. To be honest, if I was in my thirties, I would still definitely care about my hair loss, but by then just about all guys have some degree of hair loss, as of now it's about not sticking out in a negative way. It's tough for college kids as people with hair loss are viewed in a negative manner.

[FearTheLoss]

young* people with hair loss. However, if you think people are judging you on hair loss than you should probably take a look at the type of people you surround yourself with. Think about it yourself too. I know if the girl I love lost her hair or was thinning, it wouldn't change the way I think about her at all.

That all being said, let's keep being productive and optimistic and get some new treatments to the market. I think a crowd fund for histogen should be started as they are only one trial away from release and their results are great, in my opinion. 1 treatment= positive hair growth for in upwards of 2 years with no threatening sides!

[yeahyeahyeah]

+1

That's why I think some people need to see a psychiatrist rather than a dermatologist. However, some people also want to do it for themselves and what they think about their outward image. Personally, I could shave my head, be a nw7, and get SMP to frame my face and I wouldn't have any problem getting about any woman I want. I'm going to be in med school, I'm in great shape and I have a great personality. However, I think some of it is also the aspect of having something happen to you that you cannot control. I'm also a young hair loss sufferer, so my view may be different. To be honest, if I was in my thirties, I would still definitely care about my hair loss, but by then just about all guys have some degree of hair loss, as of now it's about not sticking out in a negative way. It's tough for college kids as people with hair loss are viewed in a negative manner.

I am a NW2, hair is not as thick as it used to be, so it might have thinned out slightly.

At the end of the day it sucks to lose hair no matter how you spin it.

Before I had hairloss, I was not concerned about hairloss at all. If anything I would spend a lot of time styling it however I wanted. I also used to get loads of compliments by women, some women would rub their hands through my hair and so on.

If people think that it's about women, it isn't.

It's the fact that if we had the choice, we wouldn't want to lose hair to begin with - due to our outward appearance changing with it.

Since hairloss my face looks longer (larger forehead), and because I have a M shape hairline now, I can't push it up, because it exposes it, hence longates my forehead with a horrible M shape showing. So I am now limited to 1 hairstyle, basically short, with bangs, which annoys me as I prefer pushing it up, like Ronaldo, Beckham etc.

That's why it sucks - no amount of psychotherapy will take away the fact that I have lost hair - and as a NW2 I am scared to shit to lose anymore hair, because I have seen how my outward appearance has changed by going up 1 NW scale.

If on the other hand, I knew my face suited the bald look - I wouldn't care as much.

I tend to find the guys that can rock it, normally have rounder faces and strong features. Zidane for example. Which is great if you have one, but what if you don't, then what?

I wish there were better treatments out there, as a low NW, I could really DO with ONE, and I am really pissed off at how there has been nothing new to the market since the time I have joined that works without sides.

[burtandernie]

I think a lot of guys would be really suprised how much of a subtle difference changes in hair really make to how other people view you. A lot of it they might not even really consciously think about or deny if asked so its almost impossible ever measure or test it, but it makes a difference even going a single higher NW or some change in density can make you look older.
As for this thread I dont know what it even means. 5 year standstill? The last thing was like what propecia 20 years ago I dont know what else major has shown up since then to help save hair. I really hope 2-3 years CB shows up because if it doesnt 10 years from now we might be saying the same thing

[hellouser]

The last thing was like what propecia 20 years ago I dont know what else major has shown up since then to help save hair.

NOTHING. Literally, nothing.... and its a ****ing shame that that is the reality.

I really hope 2-3 years CB shows up because if it doesnt 10 years from now we might be saying the same thing

Considering we've already been saying it for 20...... TWENTY!! years, this doesn't change much. It just goes to show the lack of effort thats been put forth in solving this god damn disease and how much society wants us to STAY bald. Remember, the Positional Good Theory is real.

[ShookOnes]

1. Actually, I've seen a lot of good results on nw5's...donor area isn't exactly too small when you can go out of the safe zone do to the fact it's scarless.

2.It's not the cream, I'm not talking about the acne version..I'm talking about the alopecia version, it's 6 months into phase II...things will change when this phase is over and we find out the vehicle they are using.

3.not true, you just need to go to the right doctor..granted it doesn't work for everyone, check out Dr. Greco's advances in his prp formula

4.more and more well respected doctors are getting lasers in their practice, they may work..but I'm waiting to see more results.

5.Hasson and Wong prescribes it to their patients that suffered sides from oral fin, and none of them have reported sides with the topical..email them and ask, as I have.

6.We saw phase 1 (safety trial) results at what, 6 months? you think they'd get a major investor to fast track the treatment if they hadn't improved? Spencer at one point said Replicel is gonna do it all for us, and I have a feeling he's seen things we haven't. I have faith in David Hall and where the company is headed with this big time investor.

7.That's because people weren't doing it right. If you are bleeding, you are damaging the follicle and causing more harm. You can't just half ass it or go at it without using the proper protocol and expect to see results.

8.Science continues to develop at a rapid pace, if you are going to be so pessimistic, then why do you even come to the forum??? why not come back in 30 years than?

9.You're delusional. Dr. Cole is one of the most respected doctors in the game.


It's really alarming to see how your posts have gone from so productive and positive to losing control over the last 8 months. You should take some time away from this website and come back every so often to check on new developments, don't waste your life away at the screen. New treatments are coming, but not tomorrow.

only for those who have eligible body hair, which isn't too many people