adipose-derived stem cell protein extract

[Sogeking]

To be fair the guys in Austria(where Alias went) specifically say on their webpage that their treatment won't get you all of your hair back and that there might be some regrowth.

[hgs1989]

keep in mind guys that the treament Alias123 did is different than that whixh started this thread. the thread is about injection of growth factors released by culturing fat stem cells while alias123 had injections of fat stem cells.

[Thinning@30]

If they aren't going to make money then they wouldn't offer the treatment at all. Would you like that better?

<sigh> that is precisely the point. It is highly unethical to sell unproven treatments. If these doctors want to test new things they can offer them to patients for free or at cost with full disclosures. I am so sick of hearing about all this Whitfield and Nigam-type nonsense.

[rhysmorgan]

I could do it, I live in Germany on and off so could go by train to Austria. Although I have been posting on the forum long, so maybe that would put people off.

[nameless]

Considering that this is an unproven treatment, it should be offered for free as part of a test, or at least at cost to people willing to offer themselves as guinea pigs.

If they aren't going to make money then they wouldn't offer the treatment at all. Would you like that better?

Also, I question whether or not the treatment will work at all. I think that the extract from fat cells (AAPE/HARG) is more likely to work than the actual fat cells. Plus even if the fat cells will work it might be very specific fat cells that are required. There are different fat cells.

[hellouser]

Considering that this is an unproven treatment, it should be offered for free as part of a test, or at least at cost to people willing to offer themselves as guinea pigs.

You've got too much faith in humanity. But I agree with you.

[Thinning@30]

Considering that this is an unproven treatment, it should be offered for free as part of a test, or at least at cost to people willing to offer themselves as guinea pigs.

[hellouser]

they promise hairloss stop and regrowth, for 8000? is there a money back guarantee? is there a follow up to compare results with high res images or trichoscans?

If Alias123's before/after photos wont please the masses, we could fund someone through another effort like with Desmond and send them off to the clinic and have all the resources for them to show us proper documentation.

[Arashi]

Sounds like some expensive snake oil

Agreed. Haven't done any research into all this, skimmed through this topic but I'd be VERY VERY skeptical, at first sight all this looks like another snake oil to me, but can't say just yet. Did anyone do any research ? Into the authors of the study etc ?

[rhysmorgan]

The cost is insane for what must honestly take a few hours labour.

I hope the results match the price. Good luck!! Keep us updated.

[Maxis]

they promise hairloss stop and regrowth, for 8000? is there a money back guarantee? is there a follow up to compare results with high res images or trichoscans?

Sounds like some expensive snake oil

[zeos]

@Alias123

you also mentioned switzerland/Greece,i will be in athens in september/october and would like to gather some information about this therapy
could you give me an address??

thanks!!!!!!

[hellouser]

5000 euro was the cost.
done in Vienna at ddr heinrich
the preccedure was okey, first they took some blood samples ( alot) and then they extracted fat from my back, then injected in with needles on my forhead. the proccedure was pretty scary since you have 3-4 people operating at you on the same time and it feels weird.
No sides, still got some redness on the area which they operated on and still a bit sore from where they extracted the fat.
I took some before pictures but i wont post them until i have afterpictures to compare with. lets just say for now that im a NW 1.5-2.
I think 3 times is the ultimate number to do the treatment. And the touchup proccedures are 3500 and 1500 euro each. still alot of money but since i have no interest at ALL to do a hairtransplant this might be worth it, but again, results if any should show within 12 weeks so i will keep you updated.

Thanks for the update. Can't wait to see the results for the next few months. If this works out, I'm booking a trip to Vienna myself and getting it done myself. Please take photos with AMPLE soft lighting ie, not under a lamp or sun but rather a bright light thats diffused ie; the sun through clouds or a lamp behind a curtain.

[maomao]

Fingers crossed for you :-)

Did they say how long it's expected to last?

And this is to regrow, or just maintain?

[Alias123]

5000 euro was the cost.
done in Vienna at ddr heinrich
the preccedure was okey, first they took some blood samples ( alot) and then they extracted fat from my back, then injected in with needles on my forhead. the proccedure was pretty scary since you have 3-4 people operating at you on the same time and it feels weird.
No sides, still got some redness on the area which they operated on and still a bit sore from where they extracted the fat.
I took some before pictures but i wont post them until i have afterpictures to compare with. lets just say for now that im a NW 1.5-2.
I think 3 times is the ultimate number to do the treatment. And the touchup proccedures are 3500 and 1500 euro each. still alot of money but since i have no interest at ALL to do a hairtransplant this might be worth it, but again, results if any should show within 12 weeks so i will keep you updated.