adipose-derived stem cell protein extract

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  • hgs1989
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2014
    • 164

    #46
    Originally posted by Gjm127
    yo based on that pdf it looks like they're skipping all legitimate human trials and just offering us the product. I wouldn't go with it until it goes widespread over the market and known as a safe treatment.
    their results are published in a journal. growth factors have been used for a while now in cosmetic products and as injections for skin and wrinkles. there are topical that contain them for hair but as an injection there isn't any. it would be similar to PRP.prp contain lots of growth factors. I guess multiple injections is required but with 2500$ it is a ripoff, not to mention the concentration of the GFs is low.

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    • Sogeking
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2011
      • 494

      #47
      Interesting. How do they extract the fat? I immediately have a a picture of some big ass needle in you stomach. Ghhhhh. The pictures look okay but guys most of the patients in the pics are of female patients. Regrowth is visible but moderate, I believe one would need additional HTs...

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      • comb0ver
        Junior Member
        • Aug 2013
        • 19

        #48
        Originally posted by hellouser
        Can you post the before/after photos?

        That SVF stuff sounds.... interesting.
        the before/after photos were a bit dodgy. taken from different angles, didn't show hairline.

        i've asked for better photos but not heard back.

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        • The Alchemist
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2011
          • 261

          #49
          This has been around a while. If it grew hair as well as they say, it would be all over the news. The media will take any bit of information about MPB research and broadcast it as the cure in hopes of generating readership. For god's sake, scalp tattoo's was headline news just a few weeks ago. Don't you think if a company was truly getting results like this every major news outlet would have covered the story?

          Sorry to say, this looks a lot like every other scam that we've seen in the past. This one has a particularly good/legitimate facade. But, it doesn't change the hard fact that it's been around years and we've not seen a single high def picture or video or heard from the researchers themselves.

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          • nameless
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2013
            • 965

            #50
            I seem to recall one published article I read involving researchers studying adipose stem cell activity in connection with hair growth and they said that there is some protein or something else inside fat cells that signal hair follicles to grow hair. They weren't talking about Histogen-like growth factors. They were talking about something else but I can't remember what it was.

            It was not in the study that we are all looking at in this thread. Yes, I'm aware that the study in this thread does talk about growth factors, but I'm just saying that there's another study out there saying that it's a protein or something like that in the adipiose fat cells that tells follicles to grow hair.

            I'll try to find that study. It looked pretty credible. And the study in this thread also looks credible, although I do have some concerns about who are the doctors who did the research in the study in this thread, and do they have a stake in the results of the study.

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            • nameless
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2013
              • 965

              #51
              Originally posted by hgs1989
              their results are published in a journal. growth factors have been used for a while now in cosmetic products and as injections for skin and wrinkles. there are topical that contain them for hair but as an injection there isn't any. it would be similar to PRP.prp contain lots of growth factors. I guess multiple injections is required but with 2500$ it is a ripoff, not to mention the concentration of the GFs is low.

              In the study it looks like they injected a high dose of these substances and they did so repeatedly. So if they are using a low dose in the product then of course that dramatically reduces the chances of the product working. You have to use the same dose that proved effective in the study and you have to get it into the skin in the same vehicle.

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              • comb0ver
                Junior Member
                • Aug 2013
                • 19

                #52
                I've been in touch with that company and managed to get this presentation on 'AQ Solution' from them.

                See what you think, the hair part is at the end.

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                • hellouser
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2012
                  • 4419

                  #53
                  Originally posted by comb0ver
                  I've been in touch with that company and managed to get this presentation on 'AQ Solution' from them.

                  See what you think, the hair part is at the end.

                  http://www.slideshare.net/markdavide...q-presentation
                  Looks like results are more or less between half to a full norwood level of improvement. Not too shabby... but not ideal.

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                  • maomao
                    Member
                    • Nov 2012
                    • 30

                    #54
                    Originally posted by nameless
                    In the study it looks like they injected a high dose of these substances and they did so repeatedly. So if they are using a low dose in the product then of course that dramatically reduces the chances of the product working. You have to use the same dose that proved effective in the study and you have to get it into the skin in the same vehicle.
                    In the presentation, it seemed to be about once every month and a half for 5 months, then no more were required - that's not too bad..

                    Figure 3. Photographs of a male patient (39 years old)
                    without Finasteride medication. (a) Before treatment.
                    (b) After 3 sessions of stem-cell protein (adipose-derived
                    stem cell protein extract) treatment (5 months after initial
                    treatment). Remarkable hair growth was observed at the
                    hairline after treatment.
                    Protein solution from ADSC-CM applied during
                    4 treatment sessions within 3–4 months induced
                    considerable increases in hair growth.
                    A shame this thread didn't crop up a week or so ago, Desmond could have popped in to check them out.

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                    • hellouser
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2012
                      • 4419

                      #55
                      Originally posted by maomao
                      A shame this thread didn't crop up a week or so ago, Desmond could have popped in to check them out.
                      Was there even anyone from the team at the hair congress?

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                      • Swooping
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2014
                        • 794

                        #56
                        Ok guys my korean friend is calling about this today .

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                        • Thinning87
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2012
                          • 839

                          #57
                          Very good! Let us know what happens

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                          • Sogeking
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2011
                            • 494

                            #58
                            Originally posted by Swooping
                            Ok guys my korean friend is calling about this today .
                            Keep us in the loop mate .

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                            • maomao
                              Member
                              • Nov 2012
                              • 30

                              #59
                              Originally posted by comb0ver
                              I've been in touch with that company and managed to get this presentation on 'AQ Solution' from them.

                              See what you think, the hair part is at the end.

                              http://www.slideshare.net/markdavide...q-presentation
                              Is that the same stuff?

                              You can buy that from here - http://www.aqskinsolutions.com/advanced-hair-complex/

                              But it seems different to the AAPE stuff from the original presentation.

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                              • maomao
                                Member
                                • Nov 2012
                                • 30

                                #60
                                AAPE solution can be purchased here - http://ymsconsulting.org/aape_hair.html

                                $1000 though!

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