adipose-derived stem cell protein extract

[cr1mson]

another Korean product

http://www.jmbiotech.co.kr/jm/pdf/%28e%29turtlepin%20brochure.pdf

http://www.jmbiotech.co.kr/jm/pdf/%28e%29turtlepin%20solution.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFWiSkQbjtk

Does anyone have any more info on this? It looks like something that can be done at home instead of going to a clinic...

[hgs1989]

I don't want to be banned here, lol. SAGA is a private forum anyway.

posting a link doesn't get you banned. where can i buy tappy tok tok ? ebay and amazon are out of stock. do you know other places ?

[Scientalk56]

Interesting Subject... but, are you telling me that there's a better treatment than propecia and no one is using it? never mentioned in the news...!?
there's something messing...

[Alias123]

after being in touch with both of the companies, the one in vienna and the one in switzerland/greece i have gotten different responses.
the once in switzerland/Greece is 8000 euro and the one in vienna is 5000 euro. the one for 8000 promises complete stop of hairloss and regrowth, but the one for 5000 says :

<<and does it completley stop loss for how long?

it prompts new growth, we have not evaluated whether it also stops the loss, but probably reduces the loss as you will have more hair after treatment.

http://ddrheinrich.com/ is the one for 5000
http://www.arsmedical.info/template-...tem-cells.html is the one for 8000.
Please guide me in my choice of treatment, i find it really hard to think that one for almost twice the amount is THAT much better? thank you.

[cr1mson]

http://www.balancehairrestoration.co...stem-cells.pdf

In this journal, it says patients were able to maintain results for 1.5 - 2.5 years. If that is true, this is essentially a cure for people with minimal to average hair loss. It would especially help me as I am losing hair in a diffuse pattern only on the top of my scalp. Any other ideas to obtain this ?

[joachim]

they promise hairloss stop and regrowth, for 8000? is there a money back guarantee? is there a follow up to compare results with high res images or trichoscans?

[nameless]

after being in touch with both of the companies, the one in vienna and the one in switzerland/greece i have gotten different responses.
the once in switzerland/Greece is 8000 euro and the one in vienna is 5000 euro. the one for 8000 promises complete stop of hairloss and regrowth, but the one for 5000 says :

<<and does it completley stop loss for how long?

it prompts new growth, we have not evaluated whether it also stops the loss, but probably reduces the loss as you will have more hair after treatment.

http://ddrheinrich.com/ is the one for 5000

http://www.arsmedical.info/template-...tem-cells.html is the one for 8000.
Please guide me in my choice of treatment, i find it really hard to think that one for almost twice the amount is THAT much better? thank you.

I don't even know what treatment you are talking about. Is it this treatment:

http://www.balancehairrestoration.com/wp-content/uploads/using-proteins-secreted-by-adipose-derived-stem-cells.pdf

Is it the exact same treatment or is it a different treatment?

[Alias123]

No, but the follow up treatments are around 1500 euro and recomended to do 1-2 times within 2 years according to both, but again, please those who are slightly knowledable with the subject, can you tell me if there is any significant difference between the two and is the high price worth it? note that included in those 8000 is travel expenses and hotel, which is not included in the one for 5000, but still.

[Alias123]

Nameless that is exactly what im trying to ask but yet no one seem to be able to provide an answer, IS the difference between these 2 proccedures worth its difference in money?.http://www.arsmedical.info/template-...tem-cells.html (8000 euro)
and
http://ddrheinrich.com/en/treatments...rowth-factors/ (5000)

on the second link clink to the hair part.
i would appreciate an answer as soon as possible since i have to leave a deposit on either of them before sunday.

[Alias123]

http://stemcelltherapy.cc/stem-cell-therapy-skin-hair-tissue/

is the one for 5000, if you can see the journals its these ones that its based upon.
Fukuoka, H., Suga, H., Narita, K., et al.: The Latest Advance in Hair Regeneration Therapy Using Proteins Secreted by Adipose-Derived Stem Cells. American Journal of Cosmetic Surgery December 2012; 29 (4): 273–82.
Huang, S.-P., Huang, C.-H., Shyu, J.-F., et al.: Promotion of wound healing using adipose-derived stem cells in radiation ulcer of a rat model. J Biomed Sci 2013; 20 (1). Epub July 22, 2013.
Kim, J.-H., Jung, M., Kim, H.-S., et al.: Adipose-derived stem cells as a new therapeutic modality for ageing skin. Exp Dermatol May 2011; 20 (5): 383–7. Epub February 28, 2011.
Menendez-Menendez, Y., Alvarez-Viejo, M., Ferrero-Gutierrez, A., et al.: Adult Stem Cell Therapy in Chronic Wound Healing. J Stem Cell Res Ther 2014; 4 (162). Epub January 25, 2014.
sounds good or what do you think?

[hgs1989]

guys the links of the clinics in Vienna and Switzerland are injection of fat stem cells into the scalp. you can get this done inn the US in boston. look in this thread I have put a link to the clinic. but what this thread is about is actually different. and gosh 8000 euros is a ripp off

[Alias123]

thank you HGS1989, but im living near vienna so the one for 5000 would actually be much more convienient then going to boston! but do you think the one in vienna is legit? that is the one for 5000 based on the journals posted earlier by me above, the link again

http://stemcelltherapy.cc/stem-cell-therapy-skin-hair-tissue/

[hgs1989]

I don't know how legit it is. fat stem cells is not widely used here in the us. clinics are still trialing with it. here in the us it is 2500$ the guy i talked to seemed confident about it, but at 5000$ I wouldn't bother unless they have really very solid data about it. there is a study by yale university that connects fat stem cells to hair growth : http://news.yale.edu/2011/09/01/yale...-its-time-grow , they think it tells the hair to grow and I read somewhere that balding men have less fat under the scalp. so who knows. there is some data behind it but 5000 euros is really expensive to gamble with. if it was below 1000$ I would even do it more frequently within a year.

[Alias123]

its 5000 for the first time, then its 1500 or 3500 the next two times, since they have your fat cells in storage, any other opinions?

[cr1mson]

I don't know how legit it is. fat stem cells is not widely used here in the us. clinics are still trialing with it. here in the us it is 2500$ the guy i talked to seemed confident about it, but at 5000$ I wouldn't bother unless they have really very solid data about it. there is a study by yale university that connects fat stem cells to hair growth : http://news.yale.edu/2011/09/01/yale...-its-time-grow , they think it tells the hair to grow and I read somewhere that balding men have less fat under the scalp. so who knows. there is some data behind it but 5000 euros is really expensive to gamble with. if it was below 1000$ I would even do it more frequently within a year.

HGS,

is this the place you were talking about?

http://www.nehair.com/stem-cells

It seems very similar to the this treatment, what is the difference? I actually live closer to Boston, then any of the other options, and at 2500 it doesnt seem like a bad price. Do you know if follow up treatments are required?