george cotsarelis has a patent in hair growth based on his PGD2 findings

[LMS]

LOL @ anyone being optimistic with any of these biotechs. if youre not treating this shit yourself youre ****ed.

[burtandernie]

You could easily ignore these forums for a few years and log back on to find nothing really changed. Its going to be a few years before anything new shows up at the very least. Lots of snake oils in disguise will pop up though like pills claiming to stop DHT and so on where most of them have no evidence they do anything. People still excited though at first so the snake oil company makes a decent take before they are forgotten. It never ceases to amaze me what people will buy with zero or little evidence it does anything

[hgs1989]

Oh, you're going to get a LOT of that from all of the biotechs in regards to research. Essentially, treat them as liars and take everything they say with a grain of salt. Nothing of what any of them have projected has come true. NOTHING.

people are amazing. when the company was silent and did not deliver any news, I read posts like they failed, they don't have anything, they will shut down soon. and now when we start to see things and they show progress we say they are lying, seriously? these are small start ups with small funding, so things are expected to move slowly. lets hope they get acquired by a large company to speed things up.

[hellouser]

people are amazing. when the company was silent and did not deliver any news, I read posts like they failed, they don't have anything, they will shut down soon. and now when we start to see things and they show progress we say they are lying, seriously? these are small start ups with small funding, so things are expected to move slowly. lets hope they get acquired by a large company to speed things up.

PSI/NEOSH was a successful peptide that grew hair in the temples/hairline. The biotech that ran phase I trials got bought out by a larger company and it got SHELVED.

However, I didn't say they ARE liars, I said to TREAT them as such. Their product availability is proof of them NOT living up to their claims.

[hgs1989]

PSI/NEOSH was a successful peptide that grew hair in the temples/hairline. The biotech that ran phase I trials got bought out by a larger company and it got SHELVED.

why did that happen?

[hellouser]

why did that happen?

Because not enough people give a shit about treating hair loss.

[hgs1989]

Because not enough people give a shit about treating hair loss.

that is not true because anyone can have access to become wealthy if he/she did not to mention his name will survive through history as the person who treated defeated baldness. merck get $400 million annually from Propecia alone while it is not that effective and many hesitate to try it because of the side effects. now imagine that a treatment really works with less dangerous or no sides just imagine how many people will run to get it. even those who doesn't have real hair loss but fear they might lose hair will run for it.

[baldybald]

Because not enough people give a shit about treating hair loss.

sorry, but i agree with hell this time.
if we look few years ago, nobody cared about hair loss researches. even now, the companies that are trying to find the cure are few that you can count them by fingers. but at least we have few people that cares these days. why few people care about hair loss? because it does not cause death comparing to some fatal diseases that have companies working around the world !

[hellouser]

that is not true because anyone can have access to become wealthy if he/she did not to mention his name will survive through history as the person who treated defeated baldness. merck get $400 million annually from Propecia alone while it is not that effective and many hesitate to try it because of the side effects. now imagine that a treatment really works with less dangerous or no sides just imagine how many people will run to get it. even those who doesn't have real hair loss but fear they might lose hair will run for it.

You make it sound as if it would be a cakewalk to have a hair loss cure. It's not. Even if found a working solution RIGHT NOW, you'd still have to either;

a) go through FDA trials which will take a decade or more; enjoy getting uglier, balder, fatter, less socially appealing and remain single if you are so right now
b) take trials outside of USA (as you should) and wait 5+ years
c) go through a country that's health regulations are a joke where you can administer the treatment immediately (India).

Now suppose you are like me, fed up with wait times and want to skip to option C and get it over with. The question remains:

- is it safe?
- who will administer the treatment?
- will the doctor be competent or will he be another scam artist like Nigam?
- will a doctor today be willing to open a clinic in india?
- what are the steps after culturing the follicle stem cells? do you still need to implant 15,000 grafts for a slick bald NW7?

And so on and so forth.

But to hell with all that... we don't have a working cure ANYWAY. So WHY is that? Is it too hard? Is it lack of funding? Something else?

It's a combination of many things but primarily lack of interest. You know how it is when women have a health problem the whole community comes to a grinding halt to seek help? Well, do you ever see the same kind of urgency towards men's health? Breast cancer research/funding vs. Prostate cancer? How about this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkmanLIAdXI

Watch how the panel of disgusting women are LAUGHING at the expense of a guy who's life and manhood is completely ruined because his wife cut off his penis and put it in the garbage disposal. They laughed at this for the whole segment.

Do you think anyone would laugh or tolerate if a guy mutilated a woman's genitals? It would NEVER happen.

This kind of mentality has spilled over to men and hair loss. Essentially, youre NOT allowed to show concern for your hair loss. You're supposed to MAN UP, take it and shut up. Any sign of concern and you're seen as weak. The same goes for guys chirping about the health of their prostate... theres often a laugh at that. It's too TABOO for a man to care about his health. There's a reason why women live about 4-8 years longer than men.

So yeah, its definitely a lack of interest. If hair loss affected women to the same degree it did to men, we'd have this shit figured out decades ago. Try getting men on board for a hair loss cure... what's going to happen? You'll get people laughing at you, calling you vain and weak and grow some balls, or to just deal with it and accept baldness.

Wanna overcome baldness? You're going to need to tackle patriarchy and society's disgusting attitude towards male pattern baldness... because a mans role is to basically be a quiet bitch about their hair.

[hgs1989]

why few people care about hair loss? because it does not cause death comparing to some fatal diseases that have companies working around the world !

you make it sound like that the world is concerned with people lives more than they are concerned about money. if so a product like tobacco would be an illegal substance to sell to humans and no human should have access to such substance. guess what it is sold and legally and it is profitable.

[Hair Bear]

I honestly would suggest that the FDA and its fail procedure is the cause of all the hold ups, they have had a hand in ruining more lives than they have saved.
There is simply too much red tape and bullshit that hampers progression, the US is not the ideal place to start up a company, sure there are a lot of money grubbing people there that may support your cause if they believe they are going to get some of the action but ultimately they are in it for themselves.

I'm not convinced India is the correct place for treatment or companies to start up, there is such a thing as too much freedom, you'll probably get your butt handed to you on a plate.

The FDA approval scheme is too costly and financially taxing. I see them more as bunch of bottom feeders, they actually contribute nothing to assist the research group whatsoever. Until there is some sort of reform we are not going to see any sort of greatness be it in the field of hair loss or otherwise, people are dying every day because the FDA cannot get their collective asses together and refine their system and the government does nothing to stamp out the scammers of the world but yet there is enough money in it to pursue a grandma downloading a movie from the internet... its disgraceful but this is corporate America. This is not an insult to the every day American person because they are great it is the system that is at fault and those that support it.

[walrus]

PSI/NEOSH was a successful peptide that grew hair in the temples/hairline. The biotech that ran phase I trials got bought out by a larger company and it got SHELVED.

Obviously said peptide was not very effective if it was shelved.

[Hair Bear]

Obviously said peptide was not very effective if it was shelved.

I wouldn't say "Obviously" if it was obvious we wouldn't be left asking questions and not have any answers from anyone officially associated with said product.

There could be any number of reasons why the product didn't see the light of day but its useless to speculate on something that would still be light years away if research were about to begin again.

[hellouser]

Obviously said peptide was not very effective if it was shelved.

Neither is minoxidil or even finasteride yet those two products are the only things that actually work and have been the only options for the past 20+ years. The very though of this reality makes me furious. 20 years and only two GARBAGE products?

[walrus]

Regards the FDA bashing in this thread and elsewhere:

If regulations were not in place and a commercially available drug or treatment gave you cancer for example --- you would be the first to complain.

Testing of drugs is time consuming for a reason. Not only to assess efficacy, but also to ensure that they are SAFE.

Perhaps some people here are happy to slap untested chemicals that they bought off the internet on their head in the hope that it works, but to the general public, this is an unacceptable risk.