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  • FearTheLoss
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2012
    • 1581

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    • It's2014ComeOnAlready
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2014
      • 584

      Originally posted by FearTheLoss
      Yes, of course serious illnesses are put at the forefront, but the bill talks about clinical trial design in general. Doesn't say, "only in the case of life-threatening illnesses."

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      • TooMuchHairWontKillYou
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2015
        • 104

        Got this from Samumed web page


        SM will be daily solution and have to be applied permanently (i guess)

        • Alopecia:
        A daily topical solution for male-pattern baldness or androgenic alopecia. Click here for more information on our Phase 2 study in the US.

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        • lacazette
          Senior Member
          • May 2015
          • 394

          I hope the phase 3 will be shorter with that 21st century cure bill!!
          But well, let's see before if they have good results to show in october
          fingers cross

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          • TooMuchHairWontKillYou
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2015
            • 104

            Hope they will show us the results from phase 2

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            • nameless
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2013
              • 965

              Originally posted by TooMuchHairWontKillYou
              Got this from Samumed web page


              SM will be daily solution and have to be applied permanently (i guess)

              • Alopecia:
              A daily topical solution for male-pattern baldness or androgenic alopecia. Click here for more information on our Phase 2 study in the US.
              Well then why are they only applying it to the heads of the subjects for 90 days? It seems to me that if the company's intention is for people to use it daily permanently then the FDA would demand studies that involve more than just 90 days of actual use.

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              • It's2014ComeOnAlready
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2014
                • 584

                Samumed has a fancy new website, they're also one of the main sponsors for the WCHR 2015. Cool

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                • macbeth81
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 101

                  Applying a topical solution for 90 days, is a daily topical solution. It is daily for 90 days.

                  Histogen saw continued improvement over a one year period using Wnt proteins and other growth factors after a single injection. If this treatment behaves similar, it won't need to be used continuously. Assuming hairs re-miniaturize, usage would be cycled otherwise finasteride would be required.

                  Otherwise these researchers are naively, optimistic and their trial will fail...

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                  • It's2014ComeOnAlready
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2014
                    • 584

                    Originally posted by macbeth81
                    Applying a topical solution for 90 days, is a daily topical solution. It is daily for 90 days.

                    Histogen saw continued improvement over a one year period using Wnt proteins and other growth factors after a single injection. If this treatment behaves similar, it won't need to be used continuously. Assuming hairs re-miniaturize, usage would be cycled otherwise finasteride would be required.

                    Otherwise these researchers are naively, optimistic and their trial will fail...
                    These treatments aren't the same. One is topical and activates the WNT pathway, the other is an injection of WNT proteins. Anagen entry takes 7-9 days, so using it continually for 90 days to see if there is an effect with continued use.

                    I'm confused by the comparison, or the presumption that the researchers are naively optimistic.

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                    • It's2014ComeOnAlready
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2014
                      • 584

                      Originally posted by macbeth81
                      Applying a topical solution for 90 days, is a daily topical solution. It is daily for 90 days.

                      Histogen saw continued improvement over a one year period using Wnt proteins and other growth factors after a single injection. If this treatment behaves similar, it won't need to be used continuously. Assuming hairs re-miniaturize, usage would be cycled otherwise finasteride would be required.

                      Otherwise these researchers are naively, optimistic and their trial will fail...
                      lol wow I'm lazy and didn't fully read your comment. I see what you're saying. Nevermind

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                      • rdawg
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2012
                        • 996

                        Glad to see there are things happening behind the scenes with stuff like this and Bim/Kythera, CB etc.

                        at least we have news to look forward too, unlike years past where we had to dream of a random announcement.

                        this and CB phase II should be finishing up in the next few months, it's fair to assume with the decent science behind these projects that an actual product may be coming to us in the next 2-3 years(give or take).

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                        • It's2014ComeOnAlready
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2014
                          • 584

                          Originally posted by rdawg
                          Glad to see there are things happening behind the scenes with stuff like this and Bim/Kythera, CB etc.

                          at least we have news to look forward too, unlike years past where we had to dream of a random announcement.

                          this and CB phase II should be finishing up in the next few months, it's fair to assume with the decent science behind these projects that an actual product may be coming to us in the next 2-3 years(give or take).
                          Great thing about it is, if that 21st century cures bill passes, we could see it sooner. Just read the bill has support of the majority of congress.

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                          • nameless
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2013
                            • 965

                            Originally posted by It's2014ComeOnAlready
                            Samumed has a fancy new website, they're also one of the main sponsors for the WCHR 2015. Cool
                            Please provide a link showing that they're one of the main sponsors of the 2015 WCHR.

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                            • It's2014ComeOnAlready
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 584

                              Originally posted by nameless
                              Please provide a link showing that they're one of the main sponsors of the 2015 WCHR.
                              חושבים על השתלת שיער בארץ או בחו"ל? כל ההבדלים בין ישראל, יוון ומדינות נוספות – מחירים, שיטות, המלצות וחוות דעת. היכנסו לבדוק הכל לפני שתבחרו!


                              for some reason it won't allow the actual link from the page where it's listed, but you can find it towards the right top of the page if you click "sponsors and exhibits"

                              By clicking on "Samumed" is how I discovered their new website, and they seem to have a new logo or font for their branding.

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                              • TooMuchHairWontKillYou
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2015
                                • 104

                                is samumed awaking existing follicles? or it creates the new ones?

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