Replicel Patent in Japan (and also Sheiseido is doing their own trials)

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  • Thinning87
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2012
    • 839

    Replicel Patent in Japan (and also Sheiseido is doing their own trials)

  • hellouser
    Senior Member
    • May 2012
    • 4419

    #2
    Didn't someone once mention that Replicel was changing their method of culturing the cells or something? I hope whatever they are doing now is an improvement... the results they showed last time we're actually less impressive than successes people have had with Finasteride.

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    • Thinning87
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2012
      • 839

      #3
      Ya

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      • hellouser
        Senior Member
        • May 2012
        • 4419

        #4
        Originally posted by Thinning87
        Ya
        Is that 'ya' in regards to them changing their methods or are you just agreeing their first Phase I results we're poor?

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        • Sogeking
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2011
          • 494

          #5
          Originally posted by hellouser
          Didn't someone once mention that Replicel was changing their method of culturing the cells or something? I hope whatever they are doing now is an improvement... the results they showed last time we're actually less impressive than successes people have had with Finasteride.
          I concur with this! Don't know if they changed anything but it has been a consensus of forum members, well some, after they published their Trial I results that they need to go back to the drawing boards and change something.

          But do you know what I am interested in? There was talk back in the day before the Trial I results that Replicel should also 'immunize' the follicles against DHT. This may just be unfounded speculation, probably is but I am interested if one year and two years after the start of Trial I the subjects stopped losing hair in treated areas.

          On another note I am interested when will Shiseido start doing the trials, and how long will they last.

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          • UK_
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2011
            • 2691

            #6
            Originally posted by Thinning87
            Ya
            1+

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            • hellouser
              Senior Member
              • May 2012
              • 4419

              #7
              Originally posted by Sogeking
              I concur with this! Don't know if they changed anything but it has been a consensus of forum members, well some, after they published their Trial I results that they need to go back to the drawing boards and change something.

              But do you know what I am interested in? There was talk back in the day before the Trial I results that Replicel should also 'immunize' the follicles against DHT. This may just be unfounded speculation, probably is but I am interested if one year and two years after the start of Trial I the subjects stopped losing hair in treated areas.

              On another note I am interested when will Shiseido start doing the trials, and how long will they last.
              I remember those talks... the immunization part. I hope it still holds true. Regardless, Replicel needs to hurry up... we're not getting any younger and our lives aren't improving either... at least mine isn't.

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              • stayhopeful
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2013
                • 280

                #8
                doesn't Japan have fast track approval for regenerative products?

                I wouldn't mind traveling to Japan for some follicular stabilization and perhaps some regrowth.....

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                • hellouser
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2012
                  • 4419

                  #9
                  Originally posted by stayhopeful
                  doesn't Japan have fast track approval for regenerative products?

                  I wouldn't mind traveling to Japan for some follicular stabilization and perhaps some regrowth.....
                  Last thing I remember about the fast track approval was them still being in talks about it. I'm not sure of the proposal passed. I hope it did. I wish we had some Japanese members that could fill us in... there's little info in english on that.

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                  • garethbale
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2012
                    • 603

                    #10
                    Well according to Replicel's own words (their official facebook page) said legislation was passed in Japan. The clinical trial that Shiseido is conducting is a phase II trial in 2014 which I presume will be conducted simultaneously to Replicel's trial in Germany(?)

                    The fact the Shiseido is conducting phase II in a fast tracked regulatory environment is good news surely?

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                    • Thinning87
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2012
                      • 839

                      #11
                      The law has been passed. http://seekingalpha.com/article/1857...d-by-investors

                      I remember there was speculation about replicel having to reengineer some things, but I wouldn't trust it since it's in fact speculation.

                      There is not a whole lot we can do to gain more information on the issue unfortunately. I think it's positive news that the law is now in place, Sheiseido has made the agreement and the technology transfer has been officially completed.

                      We would have to hope Sheiseido now starts trials under the new regulations relatively soon. If they invested in replicel I would imagine there are prospects for some positive outcome in clinical trials. Anyhow, I think it's safe to say under the new law the Sheiseido trials might be carried out faster.

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                      • hellouser
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2012
                        • 4419

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Thinning87
                        The law has been passed. http://seekingalpha.com/article/1857...d-by-investors

                        I remember there was speculation about replicel having to reengineer some things, but I wouldn't trust it since it's in fact speculation.

                        There is not a whole lot we can do to gain more information on the issue unfortunately. I think it's positive news that the law is now in place, Sheiseido has made the agreement and the technology transfer has been officially completed.

                        We would have to hope Sheiseido now starts trials under the new regulations relatively soon. If they invested in replicel I would imagine there are prospects for some positive outcome in clinical trials. Anyhow, I think it's safe to say under the new law the Sheiseido trials might be carried out faster.
                        Awesome!

                        Thanks for the link

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                        • Thinning87
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2012
                          • 839

                          #13
                          This is a presentation they delivered today.



                          It all looks good but they plan on having phase 2 data in the second half of 2016.

                          Let's hope Sheiseido can go a little faster with their trials.

                          :/

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                          • rdawg
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2012
                            • 996

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Thinning87
                            This is a presentation they delivered today.



                            It all looks good but they plan on having phase 2 data in the second half of 2016.

                            Let's hope Sheiseido can go a little faster with their trials.

                            :/
                            Yea the replicel website says the phase II trial will be 3 years long....

                            does the sheiseido link you posted mean they can go faster than in the states with clinical trials? or does it just mean they can sell stem cell related products?

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                            • Atum
                              Member
                              • Aug 2013
                              • 93

                              #15
                              For the love of it......3 years for a 1 phase trial?!?
                              By the time they are finished i will probably be bald by than.

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