Histogen - Documents and Presentations

[Scientalk56]

http://www.omicsonline.org/2161-1076/2161-1076_S1.010_047.pdf

http://www.scribd.com/doc/111831133/ISHRS-GNaughton-HSC-Clinical-Update

http://www.asds.net/uploadedFiles/Education_and_Research/Annual_Meeting_Information/AM12_ONSITE_PROGRAM_final_10-1-12.pdf

[Artha]

It's only a matter of time before Histogen it hit the shelves now...

[NeedHairASAP]

Looks good. Not jaw dropping, but I would rather injections every 6 months than minox or fin every single day.

[cp9]

When will this be available? Asia 2015? I don't mind travelling, just take my money already.

[CAlex]

The numbers from follica are all over the place and changing in some many peoples threads. These links are basically saying the average recipient of histogen so far can expect an

Increase of 10% hair count?(please correct me if I misunderstood)

As long as histogen strengthens current hair from dht damage and increases injected areas life expectancy they should definitely still come to market as a preventable treatment.

BUT 10% as a growth treatment wouldn't even be noticeable. The numbers need to get to @ least a 40% increase in total hair count in the treatment area for this to be a success.

the only way the 10% increase works is if its definitely compoundable.

[James7]

The numbers from follica are all over the place and changing in some many peoples threads. These links are basically saying the average recipient of histogen so far can expect an

Increase of 10% hair count?(please correct me if I misunderstood)

As long as histogen strengthens current hair from dht damage and increases injected areas life expectancy they should definitely still come to market as a preventable treatment.

BUT 10% as a growth treatment wouldn't even be noticeable. The numbers need to get to @ least a 40% increase in total hair count in the treatment area for this to be a success.

the only way the 10% increase works is if its definitely compoundable.

You just need to watch the video i posted

It is measured with a computer, as Dr naughton explains.

As I understand it the 10% increase is in vellus hairs (which can also then eventually becomes terminal hair at a later time point).
Presumably it either revives vellus hair (the ones smaller than visible by computer), to the point where the computer can now see it. Or possibly it encourages de-novo vellus hair, it's one of the two.

The 20% increase are current vellus hairs that have been converted to terminal hairs.

So looking at it that way, it makes perfect sense to me.

'Hair count increase ranges from the 20s to the 60s', Dr Naughton explains.

So that is from +20% to +60% increase! (with an actual terminal hair count increase around 45%-55% in the pictures shown)

Also remember this is just the Primary Efficacy stage, so more studies will be done I expect, hopefully to further increase efficacy. Probably by doing more injections.

[rdawg]

Very very good news, as expected this is a product that works but doesn't cure us fully.

This is the next generation of products(Histogen, BIM, Replicel) in which we can get 20-60% recovery of our hair.

The key question IMO that we need to answer next is what happens when combined with FIN?

EDIT: and we have to recognize that they will be raising the dose in the next trial!! Could get even better results.

[Scientalk56]

You just need to watch the video i posted

It is measured with a computer, as Dr naughton explains.

As I understand it the 10% increase is in vellus hairs (which can also then eventually becomes terminal hair at a later time point).
Presumably it either revives vellus hair (the ones smaller than visible by computer), to the point where the computer can now see it. Or possibly it encourages de-novo vellus hair, it's one of the two.

The 20% increase are current vellus hairs that have been converted to terminal hairs.

So looking at it that way, it makes perfect sense to me.

'Hair count increase ranges from the 20s to the 60s', Dr Naughton exp
So that is from +20% to +60% increase! (with an actual terminal hair count increase around 45%-55% in the pictures shown)

Also remember this is just the Primary Efficacy stage, so more studies will be done I expect, hopefully to further increase efficacy. Probably by doing more injections.

total bullshit. Its 10 percent in hair count. Read again.

[Kiwi]

total bullshit. Its 10 percent in hair count. Read again.

Don't be a schmuck.

Even the pictures look better than 10%. Couple that with the information at hand I'd say Histogen 1. You 0.

[James7]

total bullshit. Its 10 percent in hair count. Read again.

Already read those links last year.

You need to watch the video of Dr Naughton speaking two weeks ago, here:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=14611

At 9mins 40 secs
'...a photograph and then measured with a computer, so we saw that patients had hair count increase as high as 61%, terminal hair great increase as well ...and so rangings from the 20s up to the 60s as well, so very,very strong efficacy'

quoted from Dr Gail Naughton in her own words, two weeks ago.

Also this is just the measurements at 3 months, it increases more at the 1 year time point

[Scientalk56]

Don't be a schmuck.

Even the pictures look better than 10%. Couple that with the information at hand I'd say Histogen 1. You 0.

You think i want histogen to fail?!

here's what Histogen presented:


and what pcitures are you talking about? male pictures or female pictures?

[rdawg]

When is this going into IIb!?

and even 10% at the worst is a great improvement over anything(it says 20% for terminal)

the video does say anywhere from 20-60% increase total though, Not sure if that was for the separate study she mentioned.

We also have to remember this is the I/IIa trial and they will definitely be testing higher doses or more frequent injections next time. Hopefully they also check the effects of Fin+Histogen.

Very very promising stuff IMO, You could say it could be better for sure, but it definitely works, I don't know how anyone can deny this.

[hellouser]

When is this going into IIb!?

and even 10% at the worst is a great improvement over anything(it says 20% for terminal)

the video does say anywhere from 20-60% increase total though, Not sure if that was for the separate study she mentioned.

We also have to remember this is the I/IIa trial and they will definitely be testing higher doses or more frequent injections next time. Hopefully they also check the effects of Fin+Histogen.

Very very promising stuff IMO, You could say it could be better for sure, but it definitely works, I don't know how anyone can deny this.

The stuff already performs WAY better than Finasteride. That alone should be a WELCOME addition to our available treatments...

[cp9]

Oh man this is a game changer, I'm dropping fin for good.

[greatjob!]

You think i want histogen to fail?!

here's what Histogen presented:


and what pcitures are you talking about? male pictures or female pictures?

Do you really expect to see crazy regrowth at 12 weeks? That's only at the 3 month mark...