Pilofocus video

[James7]

So the next question will be - How well will it work if you try a further procedure (if you need further procedures) when there is nothing more than a clump of hard scar tissue below the skin's surface??

All other HT surgeory methods (FUE/strip) would leave scar tissue/ fibrotic tissue below the surface, when it fills in.
So it's not like there is a better option available.

In the quote he is just saying 'he doesn't know', and possibly inviting investigation.

It may turn out that there is less fibrotic tissue left below, than with other methods.
It should help the healing process by not having surface scaring.
There will certainly be a lot less scaring on the skins surface.

Sure, you could try to apply an ACell suspension or any other wound healing agent suspension simultanously or after the extraction part (subcutaneous injections) in an effort to avoid hard scar tissue all around below the skin's surface. But the outcome would be always "mixed results" - which no third party will be able to detect or to judge.

Perhaps they can utilize the same technologies used in pilofocus, to inspect the subcutaneous and intradermal layers?

[Javert]

Dr Cole is a competitor. Was it expected for him to agree or embrace a procedure that would play a factor in him losing clients if proven legit?

[hellouser]

Dr Cole is a competitor. Was it expected for him to agree or embrace a procedure that would play a factor in him losing clients if proven legit?

I'm having those thoughts too, greatjob! also mentioned this as well from back in the day with FUT surgeon's in response to FUE.

Still, I don't give a rats ass about any of the scarless or yield rates with Pilofocus. The only thing that should be focused on is regeneration. Nobody wants just a 'marginal' improvement, we should have had a vastly improved solution a long time ago.

My stance is simple:

REGENERATION OR GTFO! lol

[sdsurfin]

Dr Cole is a competitor. Was it expected for him to agree or embrace a procedure that would play a factor in him losing clients if proven legit?

exactly. Also all kinds of surgeries are done from underneath the skin and inside the body. This procedure doesn't seem like it should scar any more than FUE, and probably less, since it avoids the surface of the skin. the body has cavities and spaces between layers that can be used to move through. Most of your body is water and empty space and bacteria. I wouldn't expect that any HT surgeon would be too excited about having to replace all their equipment and train their staff in order to reduce scarring for patients. Dr. Wesley seems totally legit in ways that game-talkers like Nigam are not. I'm sure once perfected, his technique will prove to be an improvement. Regeneration probably won't be too significant.

I would be interested to know if wesley and christiano could collaborate to make a device that removes a follicle for transplantation and then implants a 3D DP cell culture in the same location. I personally think that the cure is already here, if they can grow a new follicle, it makes sense that the cell grouping only needs to be in an environment where genetic expression is more normal, and more hair cells exist in order to grow a new hair. ding this outside of the body will take a long time, because you have to keep adding things that make it work, but achieving regeneration using similar methodologies and combining knowledge should be possible, no? they need to start testing in humans stat.

[crafter]

I'm having those thoughts too, greatjob! also mentioned this as well from back in the day with FUT surgeon's in response to FUE.

Still, I don't give a rats ass about any of the scarless or yield rates with Pilofocus. The only thing that should be focused on is regeneration. Nobody wants just a 'marginal' improvement, we should have had a vastly improved solution a long time ago.

My stance is simple:

REGENERATION OR GTFO! lol

^ agree 1000% with this

[splitting hairs]

Remember Dr Cole's Rant last time

Do you all remember Dr Cole's rant when Dr Cooley presented his data about hair plucking?

He is doing it again

check this out from a couple of years back: http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=3998

[Axel]

Not a big fan of this technique... I really hope Nigam's/Mwamba doubling works.

That plus a fine tuned dermaroller/follica would be enough for me.

[Kiwi]

I'm having those thoughts too, greatjob! also mentioned this as well from back in the day with FUT surgeon's in response to FUE.

Still, I don't give a rats ass about any of the scarless or yield rates with Pilofocus. The only thing that should be focused on is regeneration. Nobody wants just a 'marginal' improvement, we should have had a vastly improved solution a long time ago.

My stance is simple:

REGENERATION OR GTFO! lol

You're smoking crack mate.

Are you saying that my (your balding brother) needs don't matter? Because I've got a FUT scar and this is great news!!!!

This is a great improvement in technology.

That said I'm hearing you - what is going to wet my panties is going to be a histogen launch. BUT in the meantime this is better than the current state of affairs.

While histogen does not yet exist in the market people that want a HT should be getting this!!!!

[JJJJrS]

If Pilofocus can be done on body hair, a lot of people will be set. My legs are really hairy, and all the hairs are just as thick and long as the hair on my head. I like my hair typically around 1-2 inches in length.

Does anyone know if a BHT with Pilofocus could be done? That plus safe donor zone hair should give some serious options for some people.

As for the regeneration bit, here's a screenshot from the presentation of the possible regeneration:



Now, if that photo is legit, then regeneration DOES happen... with Acell. Let's hope Cooley and Wesley pull it off. They do that, I'm making a large 'donation' to the both them in the form of copious amount of champagne and other alcohol.

I get the feeling that with the regeneration bit, there may not be so much 'hype' from Dr. Wesley right now is due to:

a) Pilofocus has been in the works for a while, thus all the focus will be on THIS being presented
b) Regeneration hasn't been ironed out, so to me it'd be stupid to hype it up before we could reproduce the results consistently. Otherwise, it has the potential to ruin his credibility

Dr. Wesley *did* mention in the presentation that regeneration will be further investigated in 2014.

Having said that... looks like 2015 is going to be a pretty big year for hair loss sufferers with more confirmed news from Replicel, Histogen, Dr. Wesley's/Cooley's regeneration and potentially something from Follica seeing how theyre halfway through clinical trials. The race is tight..... and money is more important to any of these guys than the sympathy card.... or even integrity.

This is from Cooley's 2010 study (read the caption). It has nothing to do with Pilofocus. If Dr. Wesley had any proof of donor regeneration, I would assume he would show those results, rather than referring to Cooley's work.

After all these years experimenting with ACELL not a single surgeon has been able to show any solid, conclusive proof of hair multiplication with it. Not Cooley, not Cole, nobody at this stage.

Whether it's possible to use ACELL to regenerate hair is an open question but at this moment there's zero evidence that it can. So I would not make any assumptions that Pilofocus will produce donor regeneration.

[Kiwi]

This is from Cooley's 2010 study (read the caption). It has nothing to do with Pilofocus. If Dr. Wesley had any proof of donor regeneration, I would assume he would show those results, rather than referring to Cooley's work.

After all these years experimenting with ACELL not a single surgeon has been able to show any solid, conclusive proof of hair multiplication with it. Not Cooley, not Cole, nobody at this stage.

Whether it's possible to use ACELL to regenerate hair is an open question but at this moment there's zero evidence that it can. So I would not make any assumptions that Pilofocus will produce donor regeneration.

I agree. I know some people do not like Rassman but he's about as straight up and honest as they come in terms of what is available now.

I think Dr. Wesley talking about ACELL is a mistake - he should focus on the strengths of Pilofocus.

Here is a recent post about acell etc from Rassman.

http://www.baldingblog.com/2013/11/01/donor-doubling-acell-hair-replication/

[JJJJrS]

I agree. I know some people do not like Rassman but he's about as straight up and honest as they come in terms of what is available now.

I think Dr. Wesley talking about ACELL is a mistake - he should focus on the strengths of Pilofocus.

Here is a recent post about acell etc from Rassman.
http://www.baldingblog.com/2013/11/0...r-replication/

Agreed. Pilofocus is a very interesting procedure that can potentially bring a lot of benefits for hair transplant surgery (i.e., lack of visible scarring and reduced transection). It's great to see a doctor who is innovative and trying to bring the industry forward.

At the same time, you have to be careful with the promises you make. I've seen a lot of surgeons start to bring up donor regeneration lately. If you're a doctor and you truly are multiplying hair like you claim, than you should absolutely document and prove it. Talk means nothing in this industry. Unfortunately, based on all the hype Gho received, I think a lot of surgeons are trying to jump on this bandwagon without any solid proof.

[Artista]

Hi Guys,
You dont have to take what i am about to say as factual until you've see the proof for yourselves (it will be shown to the general public at some point)
but,
The PowerPoint presentation Dr Wesley's shared with me DOES show plenty of phase test patient donor areas that in fact have regrown/regenerated hair (to varying degrees). Yes it is all anecdotal but the proof is there. Keep in mind, those phase tests were performed some time ago,
Ill be a part of the next round of phase testings very soon though..!!
I understand the speculation..Hey- you should always question everything that is shown and discussed here, as well as at the other forums and websites.
(as I HAVE always DONE)
I would hope that my continued support based on what I know thus far may to some degree alleviate any frustrations or sadness you may have.
I have been quite equitable here. Ive also always been quite objective during the extensive research and the studying that Ive done for myself... for my own protection too.
I mean,, I would never want to assume or 'fall into' anything as being a good thing regarding any type of hair restoration.
Facts , proven facts are the only thing we can go by...
I do feel especially bad for all of you younger guys who have been suffering from hair loss at such an early age..hang in there brothers!!

[locke999]

Artista, thank you for keeping us updated and always bringing a positive vibe to the forum.

I have to ask though, what do you mean by "anecdotal evidence" ?

google definition: (of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research

If you have seen proof, then its not anecdotal. It's only anecdotal if Dr. Wesley told you there is regeneration but haven't shown you proof. I don't really know what you mean when you see that.

[Artista]

Hi Locke999 (cool name)
Anecdotal ~
based on personal observation, case study reports, or random investigations rather than systematic scientific evaluation

The study photos that i had seen was last March or April.. were from the beginning phases of Dr Wesley's method.
Relatively very early on Locke999 hence the anecdotal claim.
Thanks for your comments bro.

[locke999]

Okay, thank you for clarifying, I hope your procedure go as well as you expect.