Histogen - fake images?

[Scientalk56]

Look at those pictures



Same Subject (s1016) same period of time (12 weeks) different hair count and terminal count numbers??????????????

[youngin]

lol damn nice catch. that sucks

[Thinning87]

you're so stupid Sciencetalk, it's embarassing. First you opened a thread calling everyone else idiot because you couldn't understand the difference between the average of a set of data points and a single data points; now you open a thread to tell us that a 1% variation in the data might be the indication of them cheating with their figures.

Obviously, they may have done further analysis and corrected that number as it there is a margin of error when using a computer to count hairs.

One thing is a 30% difference, another is a 1% difference.

[garethbale]

To be fair the terminal count percentage is about 25%

[youngin]

you're so stupid Sciencetalk, it's embarassing. First you opened a thread calling everyone else idiot because you couldn't understand the difference between the average of a set of data points and a single data points; now you open a thread to tell us that a 1% variation in the data might be the indication of them cheating with their figures.

Wow the world is full of assholes. Now you look really stupid for being wrong about the 1% variation.

Sciencetalk.. thanks for posting this.

[crafter]

well Histogen have a LOT of explaining to do.

[Scientalk56]

Obviously, they may have done further analysis and corrected that number as it there is a margin of error when using a computer to count hairs.

One thing is a 30% difference, another is a 1% difference.

well, you know it's ll about hair count, it's not a "simple" mistake, it's a serious hell of a mistake.. because it's all about numbers and how much hair it could increase..

Imagine selling you a product that increases hair 20%, and then i'll tell you "ops! it's a mistake, it's only 5% increase in hair count "

[Scientalk56]

Sciencetalk.. thanks for posting this.

well i hope i could post better news next time. because this news sucks lol

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

i am afraid

[greatjob!]

They did perform two different clinical trials, they completed one pilot study with 24 patients and the most recent phase I/II clinical trial with 56 patients.

You guys really need to stop looking for failure.

[Scientalk56]

Those are from two different clinical trials, they completed one pilot study with 24 patients and the most recent phase I/II clinical trial with 56 patients.

You guys really need to stop looking for failure.

it's the same clinical trial

[greatjob!]

it's the same clinical trial

Where did you get the first picture?

[youngin]

They did perform two different clinical trials, they completed one pilot study with 24 patients and the most recent phase I/II clinical trial with 56 patients.

You guys really need to stop looking for failure.

The title of the thread is "fake images". The images are obviously exactly the same.

[Scientalk56]

Where did you get the first picture?

from mesa presentation on this link:

http://www.histogen.com/downloads/scmom-oct2013-final.pdf

[greatjob!]

Well it's either a mistake, the result of further analysis, at a different 12 week time point (they ran 12 weeks for safety and 12 weeks for efficacy) or flat out lying and manipulation of the figures. I think the latter is the least plausible.