HIV vaccine reported to be successful in trials

[DesperateOne]

Stop the fighting already norwoods, everyone is entitled to an opinion, right or wrong.

[Koga]

Guys lets try to be a bit more sensitive and empathetic towards others. We all wish society would care more and be more understanding to us hairloss sufferers, but we can't extend our empathy to those suffering from a worse disease then us? Even if you feel that the disease is self inflicted, do you guys really feel that a mistake should destroy a person's life and condemn him/her to a cruel and terrible death? None if us are perfect, I've made mistakes too.

This vaccine is a good thing and really has nothing to do with hairloss. Plus the most impact it would have would be in third world countries where HIV is most prevalent, where healthcare and education is lacking. This can potentially save millions of lives.

[Ibrium]

Anyone who thinks that MPB is a more serious issue than HIV needs a major reality check. What is wrong with you people?

Firstly, HIV research and MPB research are not in "competition" for a cure. Unless you want every scientist in the world to be researching the same thing, it's a completely ****ing meaningless comparison to make. Progress in one area does not slow down progress in another.

Secondly, considering HIV is a disease that ruins lives and kills people all over the world, it's just a bit more important than a natural cosmetic condition. Hair loss sucks, but shitting on people with life-threatening diseases doesn't accomplish anything.

[greatjob!]

Guys lets try to be a bit more sensitive and empathetic towards others. We all wish society would care more and be more understanding to us hairloss sufferers, but we can't extend our empathy to those suffering from a worse disease then us? Even if you feel that the disease is self inflicted, do you guys really feel that a mistake should destroy a person's life and condemn him/her to a cruel and terrible death? None if us are perfect, I've made mistakes too.

This vaccine is a good thing and really has nothing to do with hairloss. Plus the most impact it would have would be in third world countries where HIV is most prevalent, where healthcare and education is lacking. This can potentially save millions of lives.

Taking things out of context once again to enable your vendetta. Sigh.

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[PatientlyWaiting]

Maybe you're depressed because you're a revolting human being? Of course cancer and HIV are more important that MPB, I'd trade in hair for the rest of humanity to be free of those, I hope you would too.

HIV is not just transmitted by sex, it can be passed from mother-child, through reusing needles for medication, blood transfusions. It's a terrible illness.

Does you have HIV or something?

[PatientlyWaiting]

Some of you guys get more and more retarded by the day. "F*ck cancer, f*ck AIDS they deserve it! But I need my hair back because everyone makes fun of me."

Hairloss has messed with my life more than the majority of the people on this board, but so many of you guys just love to play the victim.

It's really funny that so many of you blame people with AIDS, "because they had unprotected sex and deserved it." I will ignore for the moment the various ways you can contract HIV beside sex, and I will instead ask every member to think about all the times they had unprotected sex, because I'm willing to bet my life that every person on this forum has had unprotected sex at least one time in their lives. So if you then contracted HIV from that encounter would you say f*ck a cure for AIDS I deserve it?

Some of you guys have lost your mind!

Your post failed right here. You don't know any one here personally and everything they have gone through with hair loss. So I don't know why you would say something like that.

[hellouser]

Your post failed right here. You don't know any one here personally and everything they have gone through with hair loss. So I don't know why you would say something like that.

I touched on something similar before in this thread (or another). Everyone's problem is relative. We're all consumed with hair loss so naturally we're not going to care about another potential health issue until it affects us directly. I find that argument ridiculous too. My mom has a severe case of tinnitus, two types of it actually, one high pitched noise and another lower pitched noise. The sound is in her head constantly, every single second of her life... there has NEVER been a moment of silence since it started. Having said that, this has driven her into severe depression, anxiety, messed with her sleep, abilities to focus, hear, and ultimately contemplating suicide. Her life has been taken over far worse than we have. So when someone sees her, they assume shes fine, but its an invisible condition. And when people say things like 'there are worse problems' etc. its a very ignorant thing to say because how would they know how miserable that person is?

[PatientlyWaiting]

I touched on something similar before in this thread (or another). Everyone's problem is relative. We're all consumed with hair loss so naturally we're not going to care about another potential health issue until it affects us directly. I find that argument ridiculous too. My mom has a severe case of tinnitus, two types of it actually, one high pitched noise and another lower pitched noise. The sound is in her head constantly, every single second of her life... there has NEVER been a moment of silence since it started. Having said that, this has driven her into severe depression, anxiety, messed with her sleep, abilities to focus, hear, and ultimately contemplating suicide. Her life has been taken over far worse than we have. So when someone sees her, they assume shes fine, but its an invisible condition. And when people say things like 'there are worse problems' etc. its a very ignorant thing to say because how would they know how miserable that person is?

Exactly, and sorry to hear about your mother.

I say exactly because I hate those "invisible" conditions, that people can't see so they say "Hey there are people with no legs and no arms". Okay, true, but like you said it's all relative.

Just because a millionaire is depressed, doesn't mean you have to put that person down because he/she is well-off or not in the worst position he/she could be. So in order for some one to be sad about something they are going through, the condition/problem has to be the worst condition in the universe? There will always be some one worse off than you, always. So because of this, we should be happy? So i'm going to be happy about my life, because of the fact that some one has something worse than me? Really? I just don't understand that logic.

[hellouser]

Exactly, and sorry to hear about your mother.

I say exactly because I hate those "invisible" conditions, that people can't see so they say "Hey there are people with no legs and no arms". Okay, true, but like you said it's all relative.

Just because a millionaire is depressed, doesn't mean you have to put that person down because he/she is well-off or not in the worst position he/she could be. So in order for some one to be sad about something they are going through, the condition/problem has to be the worst condition in the universe? There will always be some one worse off than you, always. So because of this, we should be happy? So i'm going to be happy about my life, because of the fact that some one has something worse than me? Really? I just don't understand that logic.

Psychological conditions can be just as devastating as physical, sometimes more so. The mind is capable of being both incredibly strong and incredibly weak... to the point that your mental state renders your life useless. I've seen it with my mom, I've seen it happen with friends. William Shatner also has tinnitus and even attempted suicide. His marriage ended way back because of his tinnitus condition.

Its extremely offensive to downplay someones condition of any kind. Its also arrogant as hell.

I have tinnitus myself but its most likely been caused by my young ignorant self when I would listen to loud music too often. I had no idea that hearing loss would cause an additional noise in my head, I simply thought it'd be more difficult to hear. I have only myself to blame for my stupidity. So I back up what I say about being RESPONSIBLE and having basically deserving of the consequences when being irresponsible. Those that are struck with a condition thats been beyond their control, deserve better and I have all the sympathy for them. Just like my mom, as she's never had any damage to her ears so theres no reason for her to go through that horror. Someone dicking around, being stupid and having unprotected sex should know the consequences of what may come after, especially when its with strangers. Why should they deserve sympathy if they were in control of their actions and decided to play with fire and ignore the health risks? The same goes for me when I say I'm not willing to take finasteride, I would hate my life even more if I had developed the potentially permanent side effects.

Everyones liable for their actions, unless ignorance or unforeseeable events beyond your control occur. THAT needs to be taken into context, though some will ignore it.

[greatjob!]

Your post failed right here. You don't know any one here personally and everything they have gone through with hair loss. So I don't know why you would say something like that.

I made that comment because there are a lot of guys on the forums who are NW 1/2 and act like their life is over. So yes in their case I do beyond a doubt know that I have suffered more from hair loss than they could ever comprehend, considering I started losing my hair right after puberty, around 12 years old. I was a NW 3 when I graduated from high school and by 21 was a very diffused NW 6. So you can say my post failed all you want, but that doesn't make my comment less true.

[greatjob!]

Really, HIV, I mean I understand cancer, but HIV? Really? How about know who you are f-cking.

How am I supposed to care about HIV? I am going to care about an HIV cure? Get the f-ck out of here.

I couldn't care less about an HIV cure.

So you don't feel empathy for someone who suffers from a life threatening illness because of misguided stereotypes that only apply to a small percentage of the people who are infected with the illness?

Just because a millionaire is depressed, doesn't mean you have to put that person down because he/she is well-off or not in the worst position he/she could be.

But you empathize with rich people who are sad?

I just don't understand that logic.

I don't either...

[idontwant2bebalding]

Everyones problem is relative. I'm in the same boat that I don't care about cancer, but between that and hair loss, I'd rather go bald. I think life threatening health issues should have priority over others, however the disparity between health issues is disgusting as it is. Breast cancer at one point got 660% more funding than prostate cancer. Women's health is obsessed over while mens health is basically ignored. Regardless of the situation, hair loss is heavily underfunded, overlooked and worst of all, its socially acceptable to mock those with MPB, AA, etc.

There is truth in your words and Nigam should pay attention to this. Quickest way to get this available is to market it for women.

[hellouser]

There is truth in your words and Nigam should pay attention to this. Quickest way to get this available is to market it for women.

That should be our job with the crowdfunding initiative, and I can guarantee you I'd not only do it a hell of a lot better with marketing than Dr. Nigam but I'd do it RIGHT. But I'm only one guy that could spread word, which is why I proposed we all get involved.

[greatjob!]

There is truth in your words and Nigam should pay attention to this. Quickest way to get this available is to market it for women.

His post is true to a point.

Women's health isn't obsessed over because society cares more about women's health than men's health, it's obsessed over because women care more about their health than men do. With everything in the western world the market sets everything, and women spend dramatically more money on health and beauty then men do or ever would. This is the reason women have more awareness and concern over every health issue than men, because they care more about it and will subsequently pay more money to treat any issue than men would. Whether you like it or not money and profit dictate everything.

[idontwant2bebalding]

His post is true to a point.

Women's health isn't obsessed over because society cares more about women's health than men's health, it's obsessed over because women care more about their health than men do. With everything in the western world the market sets everything, and women spend dramatically more money on health and beauty then men do or ever would. This is the reason women have more awareness and concern over every health issue than men, because they care more about it and will subsequently pay more money to treat any issue than men would. Whether you like it or not money and profit dictate everything.

If my wife of 25 yrs. starts to bald and is devastated by it, I will work 18 hours a day 7 days a week to afford her the opportunity to get her hair back. I was balding when I married her and have lost a lot of ground. if it came down to her balding or me going bald, I would do anything to help her. Woman and children on the lifeboat first.