Follica

[deuce]

Hellouser I hope you are right man. I am not arguing with you or trying to get in a pissing match. Hey if I was a prophet I sure would not be on this site. I am just a realist, and from lack of evidence there is nothing coming out soon. I hope it does, and what is a puretech venture. That site is not legit. You do not see anything on the clinicaltrials.gov about Follica. HEy I would agree with you, BUT THE PERSON ON FOLLICA"S RESEARCH TEAM TOLD ME THERE IS NOTHING IN TRIALS RIGHT NOW. Email them if you do not believe me. Best wishes people. I hope something does come out. I am just sick of false hopes.

[TheSwingingGate]

Maybe they are not technically in trials at this moment, perhaps they are between trials.

[hellouser]

I may be negative dude, but I am a realist. There is nothing that is coming in the next year or so. You may not like my opinion or my ideas, but it is the truth. Hair loss sucks man, I wish every person on here did not have to deal with this shit. What is even worse about it is there is nothing we can do about it. Where does it say on that website that they are in clinical trials. The person that is on the board of researchers for the fckin study says they have nothing in trials right now. So how am I spreading misinformation. I have been on here for years, and nothing has come to fruition. Hellouser I do not mean to get anyone mad or let anybody down. I just come here to vent man. I hope I am wrong. I am just sick of getting my hopes up and let down. Cotsarelis also said 2 years ago that we could see a cure on shelves in a few years and nothing happened.

You're not a prophet and thus you, nor anyone else has any idea of what is or what is not going to be available in a year or two. THATS realism. If Dr. Nigam's doubling technique is verified by Dr. Mwamba or Dr. Wesley's Pilofocus show's regeneration, we'll be set by next year. Follica won't as relative until they release their product.

And my god, the link I provided, TWICE after another member posted it CLEARLY shows they are half way through human clinical trials.

[deuce]

I may be negative dude, but I am a realist. There is nothing that is coming in the next year or so. You may not like my opinion or my ideas, but it is the truth. Hair loss sucks man, I wish every person on here did not have to deal with this shit. What is even worse about it is there is nothing we can do about it. Where does it say on that website that they are in clinical trials. The person that is on the board of researchers for the fckin study says they have nothing in trials right now. So how am I spreading misinformation. I have been on here for years, and nothing has come to fruition. Hellouser I do not mean to get anyone mad or let anybody down. I just come here to vent man. I hope I am wrong. I am just sick of getting my hopes up and let down. Cotsarelis also said 2 years ago that we could see a cure on shelves in a few years and nothing happened.

[hellouser]

Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but why would the lady who works on follica's research team tell me they are not in trials. People need to face the facts that a cure is long away still. I have been coming to these sites for 3 years and nothing has come to fruition in that time. Absolutely nothing. PdG2 was the big thing and that fizzled out. Follica will fizzle out. They are not even in trials. Hair loss sucks and is bullshit fellas. I just want to wake up one day, and the headlines say, "Follica has cure for baldness and will be on shelves in 6 months" I mean how unbelievable would that be? I can only dream. It just doesnt look like its going to happen.

Worse than your negativity is you spreading misinformation:

Spencer and Joe From Staten Island both stated they are in human clinical trials and both said that Follica succesfully grew hair through NEOGENESIS.

Puretech Ventures which is funding Follica, clearly states on their website they are in Human Clinical Trials:

http://www.puretechventures.com/pipeline.php

From what I've read/heard, Follica doesn't need a complete 3 phase trials as the substances theyre using to generate new follicles are 'known substances' and apparently they only need approval for the wounding device (which, what we know from the released patents is a laser). If anyone has more concrete info, please correct me on any of the points i've made, im not 100% sure, theres too much info coming through the pipes lately with all the hair loss solutions (which, is a good thing, finally)

Notice that according to Follica's backing, they are about HALF WAY through human clinical trials.

[deuce]

Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but why would the lady who works on follica's research team tell me they are not in trials. People need to face the facts that a cure is long away still. I have been coming to these sites for 3 years and nothing has come to fruition in that time. Absolutely nothing. PdG2 was the big thing and that fizzled out. Follica will fizzle out. They are not even in trials. Hair loss sucks and is bullshit fellas. I just want to wake up one day, and the headlines say, "Follica has cure for baldness and will be on shelves in 6 months" I mean how unbelievable would that be? I can only dream. It just doesnt look like its going to happen.

[hellouser]

I wonder if when a cure/treatment actually does come out how long it will take the majority of the public to believe it. Most people write everything off as bullshit because of all the years of snake oil being shoved down our throats. I know everyone on the forum communities will be lining up to get treated, but I bet their will be a significant lag in time before the general public actually buy into a cure.

There definitely will be a transitional period of time before proper treatments are widely accepted. But, I, and I'm sure you yourself will feel somewhat similar, would rather be first in line than have the rest of the world benefit from it. Obviously guys on the forums have been more progressive in finding treatments and we'll be the first to know. I hope all of us on the forums are amongst the first to get cured. I really don't want to any more time on these damn forums.

[HairBane]

The way I see going is this: One of Follica, Replicel, Histogen or another come to market in 2015-2016. Their treatment works, but isn't great, and certainly isn't a cure from NW7-1, maybe the results look very slightly odd, or the regrowth isn't a huge amount. It will initially be used to supplement transplants, or give some very substantial filler to people with thinning or receding NW2-3 to NW1-2. It will also probably need to be re-done occasionally, and an anti-androgen taken to keep non-DHT-resistant hair.

I also think it will initially be quite expensive, somewhere between a few years supply of propecia and a hair transplant most likely.

So I don't think that it will happen in the way some of you see it happening (a single biotech hair regen company comes to market, destroys all the competition and almost all balding people get it immediately). It will be a fairly slow take-off probably - we will all improve our hair because we're all fanboys and money and anti-androgens and multiple procedures won't get in our way. But until it comes down in cost and the efficacy is pretty much perfect (probably around 2020-2025?) it will be a gradual shift towards these kind of treatments over the traditional, and most balding men still won't use them.

[greatjob!]

What is the percentage of men that actually do something about their hair loss? I know its a rather small number, but the 10 billion dollar mark could be even higher IF there was a legitimate treatment as more men/women would be willing to actually spend the money for it, as a vast majority dont.

Lets do some math!

There are 7 billion people in the world, half of which are male. 50% of the worlds population was under 30 years of in 2012. So, we have 1.75 billion men in the world over the age of 30. Let's assume about 50% of the 1.75B men are balding, thus: 875 million. (25-33% of men are balding before 30 years of age, and up to around 66% by around age 50). But now we need to know how many men are actually seeking hair loss treatments. In China its around 47%. Let's go with that figure seeing how china's population trumps everything else. So now we have about 437 million men worldwide battling hair loss, roughly. Lets be generous and bring it down to around HALF of that; 220 million.

Now, this isn't even taking into account women or men under 30 years of age (which is a gigantic number in its own right).

Follica needs to hurry the hell up, those many hundreds of millions of people seeking treatments will have to be divided with Histogen and Replicel and if Pilofocus/Dr. Nigams hair doubling do in fact give regeneration, Follica is going to get an even smaller piece of the pie.

They're wasting precious time.

I wonder if when a cure/treatment actually does come out how long it will take the majority of the public to believe it. Most people write everything off as bullshit because of all the years of snake oil being shoved down our throats. I know everyone on the forum communities will be lining up to get treated, but I bet their will be a significant lag in time before the general public actually buy into a cure.

[hellouser]

Indeed, this is what they say here:

Treatments for conditions of the follicle account for a total market exceeding $10 billion annually, despite a lack of truly effective solutions.

What is the percentage of men that actually do something about their hair loss? I know its a rather small number, but the 10 billion dollar mark could be even higher IF there was a legitimate treatment as more men/women would be willing to actually spend the money for it, as a vast majority dont.

Lets do some math!

There are 7 billion people in the world, half of which are male. 50% of the worlds population was under 30 years of in 2012. So, we have 1.75 billion men in the world over the age of 30. Let's assume about 50% of the 1.75B men are balding, thus: 875 million. (25-33% of men are balding before 30 years of age, and up to around 66% by around age 50). But now we need to know how many men are actually seeking hair loss treatments. In China its around 47%. Let's go with that figure seeing how china's population trumps everything else. So now we have about 437 million men worldwide battling hair loss, roughly. Lets be generous and bring it down to around HALF of that; 220 million.

Now, this isn't even taking into account women or men under 30 years of age (which is a gigantic number in its own right).

Follica needs to hurry the hell up, those many hundreds of millions of people seeking treatments will have to be divided with Histogen and Replicel and if Pilofocus/Dr. Nigams hair doubling do in fact give regeneration, Follica is going to get an even smaller piece of the pie.

They're wasting precious time.

[Vox]

The hair loss industry is insanely gigantic

Indeed, this is what they say here:

Treatments for conditions of the follicle account for a total market exceeding $10 billion annually, despite a lack of truly effective solutions.

[Artha]

I hope this is the real deal!

[hellouser]

So why is it taking AGES to get it onto market?

If I had the answer for you, I'd tell you. I really don't know. But every day that Follica isn't selling their procedure is a day of lost revenue and profits. The hair loss industry is insanely gigantic, I hope they realize that the sooner they release a working product the sooner we can all stuff their revenue stream with millions upon millions of dollars (collectively). There's nothing on the market now that would compete with them, HT's would essentially be rendered stone age treatments (other than potential regeneration, which isn't verified yet either). They'd basically have the ENTIRE market to themselves, a multi-billion dollar industry to capitalize on with ZERO competitors. They better know how much theyre losing out on while not having a product.

[yeahyeahyeah]

i for one think follica could really be something huge. you can't rush it. once they know it's safe and get approval on the device they use i'm sure it'll be here. exciting stuff regardless. what i really wanna know is what kind of hairs they can grow. if it's just white crappy hair that would suck. cause if it's thick terminal hair we're all cured pretty much with this procedure, unless for some reason your body rejects it

Or it could be like aderans, delaying and delaying until the truth comes out.

[reckless]

Well they were able to grow proper hair on the mice, full coverage.

We can only hope it does the same for humans.

If it's just going to give average minoxidil results then they won't have many takers.