Dermarolling Community Trial

[the_dude78]

Found this, maybe it applies for hair loss too?

http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/the-more-blood-the-better-when-dermarolling/msg361/#msg361

[bigentries]

It's like you are just trying to find every possible excuse to dismiss this finding. There is real science behind this method, not just for hair loss but for the entire skin. I would suggest you take your negativity else where. I suppose you would of been happier had they said they conductd everything from a garage or basement, SMH.

People need to be cautious about everything concerning baldness treatments. It's not "negativity" it's just skepticism.

People tend to claim that we need to have an "open mind" but what they end up doing is not questioning enough. I invite you to see all hypes from last year and see where that attitude ends up

They said they are using platelet rich plasma, that was the hype years ago, people tried it here and other forums, it lead nowhere, I'm still surprised doctors are still offering that thing

[chimera]

Well...so much for just dermarolling and maybe some minox

It can't hurt to try...but yeah..now that the clinic is mentioned- you gotta go there for the PRP....

Well, at least in the study they mentioned that they got those results using only minox and dermaroller. What I mean is, they did not try tu sell us the PRP. (At least not through the study).

[chimera]

It's like you are just trying to find every possible excuse to dismiss this finding. There is real science behind this method, not just for hair loss but for the entire skin. I would suggest you take your negativity else where. I suppose you would of been happier had they said they conductd everything from a garage or basement, SMH.

I do want this to work! In fact, I was the one who bring this study to this forum in the first place (that doesn't matter, if it was't me, somebody else would have done it sooner or later) but I did it because I am really interested in this thing, as much as any of you.

But things like the study being done by a member (or members, we don't know yet) of a clinic where they give this treatment or that the only guy who has reported results was on minox since months before he took his photos just can't be overlooked.

Anyway, I do think you should continue. As you said, there's at least some science behind this. And, unlike tons of other "treatment" out there, this one will be easy, cheap and fast to know if it works or not. Despite my doubts, even I will probably try it.

[PrettyFly83]

How do we know prettyfly results are not completely because of the minoxidil, when he took that photo, he was one month on the dermaroller, but three months already on minox.

However, yeah, you right, there's no way to tell if we don't try it first. As this treatment has a small time-frame we can easily prove if it works or not, and that's woth a shot.

Correction, minox for 1 month then started rolling. Been rolling for 2.5months now and minox for 3.5. As much as ive researched, minox does not give you a result in 2-3months, takes at leasr 4 for results to start showing. Keep optimistic guys, no point in being negative as whats to loose? 15 bucks on a derma roller that you can use for other treatments? Im keeping this going till end november and only then will make the call!

[Bocaj]

Well, at least in the study they mentioned that they got those results using only minox and dermaroller. What I mean is, they did not try tu sell us the PRP. (At least not through the study).

I'll post what I just said in another forum on that:

No, I realize they supposedly weren't on fin/using prp(if you REALLY want to question things :lol: ). But what many of us asked in the beginning is- how are they doing now? As I recall..we got a vague response on that, and now we learn what at least one researcher actually does, in a clinic. Sooooooooo....where are THOSE results from THAT combo?

I'm glad there are quite a few trying this out...it's the only way we'll know for sure!

[hellouser]

^I've got a sneaking suspicion that the skin at the thinning areas has SOMETHING to do with hair loss. Everywhere that I've got thick skin, theres a LOT more hair, but in areas where my skin is thin, I've either lost my hair (temples) or am thinning (very top plus area around temples). I'm going to see if EMU oil and scalp massage can increase skin thickness and bloodflow.

YES! Spencer even touched on this in his show:

http://youtu.be/jYLax0hB9dc

As we lose our hair, the scalp actually gets thinner, but the longer you have hair loss, the thinner the scalp becomes. So by doing this type of abrasion to the scalp it actually increase collagen formation in the scalp and also increases fibroblast and in turn, at least in theory, it also increases hair growth.

Keep rolling and DEEP wounding, skin has three layers and we need to wound quite a bit (but not so much as to rip of skin).

[DesperateOne]

Correction, minox for 1 month then started rolling. Been rolling for 2.5months now and minox for 3.5. As much as ive researched, minox does not give you a result in 2-3months, takes at leasr 4 for results to start showing. Keep optimistic guys, no point in being negative as whats to loose? 15 bucks on a derma roller that you can use for other treatments? Im keeping this going till end november and only then will make the call!

You're right, to tell you the truth saying something like 4 months for minox to work is a stretch at best. Usually it takes even longer, sometimes even a year or so. What people don't realize is that just by being negative about something like this restructures their brain to think it won't work, and guess what... your body won't accept it the same way and it might not work at all for you.

$15 is absolutely nothing, and even if this don't work, I will be using it on my stretch marks and maybe my face.

One thing that I am worried about is that it seems that everywhere else I look they say to use it daily. Those are for the skin conditions and not for the scalp, but then again, I don't see why it should be different.

If you keep on using it every day, you will just see more inflammation and maybe faster results. Or is the whole point to try and recover from the wound within a week?

[DesperateOne]

Hellouser how is your progress going? are you still getting pretty good results from the RU and minox?

Are you recording the results with the derma roller?

[hellouser]

Hellouser how is your progress going? are you still getting pretty good results from the RU and minox?

Are you recording the results with the derma roller?

RU I dropped in May. I'm getting on the CB gravytrain soon.

Dermarolling I just started and my last session I dont think I wounded enough, i didnt get any redness. Tonight I'm going to go ham.

[the_dude78]

YES! Spencer even touched on this in his show:

http://youtu.be/jYLax0hB9dc

Keep rolling and DEEP wounding, skin has three layers and we need to wound quite a bit (but not so much as to rip of skin).

How do you come to the conclusion that we have to roll deep? In the study they clearly say mild erythema. Just wondering.

[DesperateOne]

Found a good Youtube channel for Derma

So I have found this youtube channel of doctors who talk a lot about derma rollers and how to clean them and all.

https://www.youtube.com/user/whitelotusantiaging/search?query=derma

[hellouser]

How do you come to the conclusion that we have to roll deep? In the study they clearly say mild erythema. Just wondering.

Gut feeling. Basically, if Follica could use LIGHT dermarolling for FGF-9, it'd already work. But they've been trying to create a device that does proper wounding. I have a feeling its more extensive than dermarolling.

[Bocaj]

How do you come to the conclusion that we have to roll deep? In the study they clearly say mild erythema. Just wondering.

I get that from a .5 vibrating dermaroller. I think I may just get a deeper one for this....

[HARIRI]

Can every member in this thread using scalp roller tell me how many times is he using it a week and for how long per each session? Lets start with Hellouser