Dermarolling Community Trial

[hellouser]

I dont use minoxidil but I'm on fin... would it be worth me trying this out or is minoxidil essential to the results?

Yes, its absolutely mandatory. Minoxidil is whats supposed to create regrowth, Dr. Cotsarelis' findings even state that in his published paper. I've posted a link to it in this thread.

[JDW]

Its not a definitive answer though. Skin thickness isn't the same on every persons scalp. You're probably better off getting a 1.5mm roller as it SHOULD penetrate, anything too short and you wont cause the minimal wounding and you'll probably just end up having to get a dermaroller with longer needles.

Thanks for that, will go with 1.5mm/192 needles then as this seems to be the best combo

[hellouser]

Found another article on wounding and dermarolling, this is just as interesting:

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/may07/hair-follicle-regeneration.html

“We showed that wound healing triggered an embryonic state in the skin which made it receptive to receiving instructions from wnt proteins,” says senior author George Cotsarelis, MD, Associate Professor of Dermatology. “The wnts are a network of proteins implicated in hair-follicle development.”

Funny how this is from 2007!!

Via: http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarollin...ut-minoxidil)/

Note how the source of which I found the Cotsarelis article states without minoxidil. Yet in his newer paper he states WITH minoxidil new hair follicles are created from wounding.

Perhaps we just continue wounding/dermarolling until enough hair follicles are created to cover the head completely and then call it a day... or year, lol.

[hellouser]

I just ordered my dermaroller, 1.5mm and 192 microneedles:

http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00A7XLJIW/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[Arashi]

http://s1292.photobucket.com/user/Pr...dd798.jpg.html

Hi Arashi

Hopefully you can view this will upload the originals too

Thanks !! Truly amazing results, congratulations !!

[oppenheimer82]

Hi All

First post here but long time reader.I added derma rolling to my regime about two months ago and without being overly optimistic I feel I'm getting some significant regrowth.

Quick facts, age 30, NW5 going on 6. Regime has been nothing until 3 months ago when I decided to try get some hair back before I left it too long. Started loosing at 21, NW4 at around 25 and shaved my hair No.0 since. Started Minox 3 months ago, added derma rolling 1 month in, hoping to get increased absorption. Added Vita C and MSM around same time. Been sticking to it since. Never done Finasteride but have and am still seriously considering.

Biggest plus for all reading this is that Ive been taking pics fairly frequently so maybe people can add their opinion on my presumed regrowth or not....hopefully the pic has uploaded

nice!

[greatjob!]

I think I'm also going to pick up a derma roller and give this a shot. Seems easy enough and couldn't hurt. Would be pretty crazy if this ends up being a good treatment, as its been around for a while and been overlooked, probably because it seems too simple to be the solution. I will, like always, remain cautiously optimistic.

[DanWS]

Funny how this is from 2007!!

Via: http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarollin...ut-minoxidil)/

Note how the source of which I found the Cotsarelis article states without minoxidil. Yet in his newer paper he states WITH minoxidil new hair follicles are created from wounding.

That's interesting.... perhaps it could be worth a shot for those of us not using minox, then. Nothing to lose I suppose.

[Barron]

What's the consensus on applying Minox immediately after scalp rolling? The participants in the study did not apply Minox on the day they scalp rolled, while PrettyFly83, who saw great results as well, did.

When I applied Minox directly after scalp rolling, I got some pretty undesired side-effects during the hours afterwards; but applying Emu oil right afterwards is working great so far.

[hellouser]

What's the consensus on applying Minox immediately after scalp rolling? The participants in the study did not apply Minox on the day they scalp rolled, while PrettyFly83, who saw great results as well, did.

When I applied Minox directly after scalp rolling, I got some pretty undesired side-effects during the hours afterwards; but applying Emu oil right afterwards is working great so far.

What were the side effects?

[hellouser]

http://s1292.photobucket.com/user/Pr...dd798.jpg.html

Hi Arashi

Hopefully you can view this will upload the originals too

Hey PrettyFly,

Can you tell us how long you've been losing your hair?

From the before photos, you look like pretty much a full norwood 6 with almost a completely slick bald head from crown to front of head. Is this a fair assumption?

[Barron]

I felt light headed, had an increased/rapid heart rate, and got a general feeling of uneasiness. I remember searching on the internet/forums afterwards and found some people who experienced similar effects, but also many who didn't experience anything. I also came across some general warnings...i.e: http://tiny.cc/s8c00w

[greatjob!]

I felt light headed, had an increased/rapid heart rate, and got a general feeling of uneasiness. I remember searching on the internet/forums afterwards and found some people who experienced similar effects, but also many who didn't experience anything. I also came across some general warnings...i.e: http://tiny.cc/s8c00w

That's why you don't use minoxidil on the same day you use the derma roller

[hellouser]

That's why you don't use minoxidil on the same day you use the derma roller

Isn't that the best window of opportunity though for maximum absorption and stimulating growth?

[greatjob!]

Isn't that the best window of opportunity though for maximum absorption and stimulating growth?

From the study isn't is about wounding and stimulating growth pathways not absorption. In the study they didn't use minox on the days they used the dema roller. Systemic absorption of minox can be dangerous.