Dermarolling Community Trial

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

and that brothers tells me only one thing, at least for me


THE WOUNDS MAKE HAIR IT IS TRUE

[534623]

and that brothers tells me only one thing, at least for me


THE WOUNDS MAKE HAIR IT IS TRUE

Yeah, so I think you guys should visit Dr. Hannibal Lecter ...

http://www.allmystery.de/i/t0ac03b_hannibal-lecter-eating-brain.jpg?bc

He is the only doctor on this planet who found out the proper dermaroller deepness for hair follicle stimulation - and therefore hair regrowth.

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

lol thats 2 in one .smp and regrowth thanks we might drop by his meat market

Yeah, so I think you guys should visit Dr. Hannibal Lecter ...

http://www.allmystery.de/i/t0ac03b_hannibal-lecter-eating-brain.jpg?bc

He is the only doctor on this planet who found out the proper dermaroller deepness for hair follicle stimulation - and therefore hair regrowth.

[clandestine]

So the majority of people are using 1.5mm? Not 1mm?

[HARIRI]

OK guys I will stop acting like a P***y and get the 1.5mm Titanium dermaroller. I will get this one:-

http://www.ebay.com/itm/540-Micro-Needle-Derma-Roller-Skin-Anti-Aging-Scars-Cellulite-Acne-Stretch-Marks-/251020132970?pt=UK_Health_HairLoss_RL&var=&hash=item3a71f7426a

Its 540 titanium needles and it will give better coverage than 192 needles. Any thoughts?

Your are right after all about the 1.5mm, no pain no gain. I hope it wont leave any scarring. I will use it on my non hair transplanted areas like midscalp and crown every Saturday before bedtime as mentioned before. How many minutes I should use it in one session? Any advice?

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

5 to 10 min roll it until it becomes like somebody hitted you hard and see at least some blood drops

OK guys I will stop acting like a P***y and get the 1.5mm Titanium dermaroller. I will get this one:-

http://www.ebay.com/itm/540-Micro-Needle-Derma-Roller-Skin-Anti-Aging-Scars-Cellulite-Acne-Stretch-Marks-/251020132970?pt=UK_Health_HairLoss_RL&var=&hash=item3a71f7426a

Its 540 titanium needles and it will give better coverage than 192 needles. Any thoughts?

Your are right after all about the 1.5mm, no pain no gain. I hope it wont leave any scarring. I will use it on my non hair transplanted areas like midscalp and crown every Saturday before bedtime as mentioned before. How many minutes I should use it in one session? Any advice?

[Julian P]

OK guys I will stop acting like a P***y and get the 1.5mm Titanium dermaroller. I will get this one:-

http://www.ebay.com/itm/540-Micro-Needle-Derma-Roller-Skin-Anti-Aging-Scars-Cellulite-Acne-Stretch-Marks-/251020132970?pt=UK_Health_HairLoss_RL&var=&hash=item3a71f7426a

Its 540 titanium needles and it will give better coverage than 192 needles. Any thoughts?

Your are right after all about the 1.5mm, no pain no gain. I hope it wont leave any scarring. I will use it on my non hair transplanted areas like midscalp and crown every Saturday before bedtime as mentioned before. How many minutes I should use it in one session? Any advice?

In the review on that owndoc's website posted earlier in this thread, they advice against 540needle dermarollers. They say that the needles look more like knives and could acutally damage the skin. Off course it's a commercial website, but they seem to know what they 're talking about.

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

put it together here ----------


since they used 1.5mm 192 needls in the study why experiment further?

their results are miraculus, we must do it like that if we get the same success then we can discuss further posibilities


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i mean who knows what might happen in an other way, galea necrosis. more hairloss. many things that are creepy and scary,

[35YrsAfter]

There was a thread on another forum I saw where a guy had a tattoo removed from his arm using a laser. In the following weeks, thick terminal hair grew from this area, and not just one or two strands of hair, at least a dozen within the former tattoo area which looked to be about 2x2 inches in size.


Photo:



Thread Source:

http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/72075/Lasers_Cause_Hair_Growth_in_Ta.html

Here's what one person in that thread had to say about lasers on the skin:

Laser caps and other types of laser therapy have shown some effectiveness in the treatment of hair loss. The laser caps are way too expensive IMO. One of our patients built his own. I'm not recommending you do that though and I'm sure there are some risks involved in using laser light.

35YrsAfter also posts as CITNews and works at Dr. Cole's office

[hellouser]

Ok, so along with this tidbit, I was able to find a LOT of other articles on wound theory. This first one is particularly *really* interesting;

Skin wound healing and hair growth device
Inventors Masahiro Ogasawara
Applicant Mignon Belle Co., Ltd.

http://www.google.com/patents/EP2508228A1?cl=en

Here's one of the results in their patent study:



Then I found this article:

Dextran hydrogel scaffolds enhance angiogenic responses and promote complete skin regeneration during burn wound healing



Source: http://www.pnas.org/content/108/52/2...expansion.html

And another wounding article:

Epithelial stem cells and implications for wound repair



Source: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...84952112001814

Found another article on a wounding anecdote from Stanford:

The secret life of hair follicles, revealed by Stanford researchers



Source: http://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2013/0...d-researchers/

An unrelated article:
Published Studies on Tissue and Skin Remodeling Copper-Peptides
Source: http://skinbiology.com/copperpeptide...tion.html#hair

Notice that in this article Hitzig's name is mentioned

These articles really need to be looked at by the community here. Also, and courtesy of Conpecia, he was able to remember a case from law school:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkins_v._McGee

Hawkins' hand was scarred from contact with an electrical wire. He was approached by McGee, a doctor, about having the scars removed. McGee guaranteed to make the injured hand a "one hundred percent good hand". McGee used a technique of "skin grafting" that he was unfamiliar with and failed to remove the scars. Because McGee used skin from Hawkins's chest area, the graft caused the palm of Hawkins' hand to grow thick hair.

The increasing evidence of wounding theory is starting to pile up....!!! Thanks for the article Conpecia

[hellouser]

Found another thread on an acne forum that shows some interesting details on wounding/scarring/healing:

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/157005-scarless-healing/page-160

[Axel]

I think we might really be onto something there , I have a suspect that diffuse thinners are going to benefit the most because they're follicles are not completely dead, just my theory.

It's freaking crazy that I had not heard about the dermaroller before, not just for hair loss.

We are talking about hair follicle neogenesis so I don't see why diffuse thinners (like me) could get more benefit then others... It is not about waking up existing follicles but create new ones.

[Axel]

Ok, so along with this tidbit, I was able to find a LOT of other articles on wound theory. This first one is particularly *really* interesting;

Skin wound healing and hair growth device
Inventors Masahiro Ogasawara
Applicant Mignon Belle Co., Ltd.

http://www.google.com/patents/EP2508228A1?cl=en

Here's one of the results in their patent study:



Then I found this article:

Dextran hydrogel scaffolds enhance angiogenic responses and promote complete skin regeneration during burn wound healing



Source: http://www.pnas.org/content/108/52/2...expansion.html

And another wounding article:

Epithelial stem cells and implications for wound repair



Source: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...84952112001814

Found another article on a wounding anecdote from Stanford:

The secret life of hair follicles, revealed by Stanford researchers



Source: http://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2013/0...d-researchers/

An unrelated article:
Published Studies on Tissue and Skin Remodeling Copper-Peptides
Source: http://skinbiology.com/copperpeptide...tion.html#hair

Notice that in this article Hitzig's name is mentioned

It seems to me Cots et al are testing the most promising vector: letting the body heal alopecia by itself. They just need to learn the level of wounding needed...

I guess we'll be able to say EUREKA after 12 weeks of the dermarolling community trial

*Fingers crossed*

[sosa56]

In the review on that owndoc's website posted earlier in this thread, they advice against 540needle dermarollers. They say that the needles look more like knives and could acutally damage the skin. Off course it's a commercial website, but they seem to know what they 're talking about.

So what's the consensus then 540 or 192? You really think that 540 could be counterproductive? I've been using a 540 i think

[hellouser]

From PrincessRambo on Hair Loss Talk:

This is a nice picture from the latest Cotsarelis study:

http://scitechdaily.com/study-points-to-a-way-to-treat-wounds-and-grow-hair/

Boy, that wound size looks HUUUGEEE, and notice the depth, it goes all the way to the derma papillas. What kind of device can create this "full thickness excision" they are thinking of, a scalpel maybe? I mean, in the patent they say it shouldn't hurt (or patient can receive a numbing cream), Man i need a 2.5mm vibrating roller that can shoot additional daggers at my scalp... I think .

I will be out for blood tonight with my 1.5mm roller in the mean time, WHO IS WITH ME? "THIS IS WHERE WE HOLD THEM, THIS IS WHERE WE FIGHT, THIS IS WHERE THEY DIE... SPARTANSSSS, READY YOUR BREAKFAST AND DRINK HEARTY."