Dermarolling Community Trial

[BBay]

I can't comment on derma rolling but micro needling certainly could be worth investigating.
The 8 th World Hair Congress had a few papers on it. One was titled LONG TERM FOLOWUP OF MICRO NEEDLINGPATIENTS TREATED FOR ANDROGENETIC ALOPECIA
Conclusion: Microneedling is indeed proving to be a promising tool in patients distressed with AGA. The effect of microneedling on hair stimulation was maintained post procedure and long term effects were good.This modality of therapy has not shown any long term side effects, therefore can be safely used and implemented in our daily practice in patients with AGA.
There are/is some more papers on this, if any interest I'll check through the papers and post.

[gemplus]

Congrats for your success and thanks for the very good pictures!

Could you please describe your regime?
You started with VitC, MSM and Minox? Rolling x mm every y days?

Thanks again!

[walrus]

2young2retire? I think his pics are deceiving and the fact that he got all defensive about them proves he has little to back up.

2young2retire seemed over-excitable and slightly delusional.

His photos weren't great either.

[youngin]

Don't confuse negativity as healthy skepticism, you've been too long in the game too.

I'm not confusing it

[hellouser]

Not posting pics is insulting to the members of this forum. Backup your claims with evidence.

[bigentries]

The statement is saying I believe it BECAUSE I have seen changes in myself. I have shown people on other forums the pictures but this forum is full of negativity so why would I share something that will be shrugged off immediately. Right now these pictures motivate me and give me hope, should I post them and then have peoples negativity and doubt bring me down? No thanks. You could have the ultimate cure for baldness and everyone would just say its fake or a fluke here. It's really useless to post anything. See now the original published study is fake! It doesn't matter what i post. If you want the photo then join PHG and I will send it to you.

It's totally understandable why PrettyFly didn't post here for a long time. He previously gave detailed posts about his routine and month by month results which anyone can look at. But the first response to 12 month photos by Fred is: NO OFFENSE BUT FAAAAAKE! Silly

Don't confuse negativity as healthy skepticism, you've been too long in the game too.

I'm sorry, but if someone had the cure for baldness, and it could be replicated, I don't see why anyone would think is fake.

If you have pics, post them please, understand that you add noise to the debate if you claim results but can't prove them. You don't know if someone 5 years from now will read your posts and would get confused.

We have reasons to be skeptic. Again, look at Fred's case here, had he stopped posting after he went bald, someone might even think his original protocol really worked

[fred970]

FredtheBelgian is a good example of that kind of user, since he also became famous after promoting his own protocol. Kudos to him for not running away after things got sour

I remember I had the same attitude as 2young2retire. Calling people idiots because they said I would end up bald. Or telling them to just go have a hair transplant, you know, like some people just did in this thread.

Users like 2young and Prettyfly will have to go what I've been through, and it's a pretty harsh experience. I had to edit all my previous posts on the other forum, I was so ashamed of myself. When I think that my nonsense is still out there on the IH forum.

Oh yes, of course! The negativity, it's because we're "negative" that we're still bald. Because healthy criticism and baldness go hand in hand!

Post picture or just don't post anything at all, it's completely useless.

[youngin]

No offense, but why even post this if you refuse to show evidence?
This pisses me off, and not only about dermarolling. HLH is very guilty of that, every treatment there has people claiming results, but no one posts pics because "they have nothing to prove"

This is very egotistical, if you have something to show, show it, we need all the information we can get, and analyse it together, good results or no results are valuable information. Otherwise, these kind of posts just add noise and leave people wondering years in the future if the treatment really worked.

The statement is saying I believe it BECAUSE I have seen changes in myself. I have shown people on other forums the pictures but this forum is full of negativity so why would I share something that will be shrugged off immediately. Right now these pictures motivate me and give me hope, should I post them and then have peoples negativity and doubt bring me down? No thanks. You could have the ultimate cure for baldness and everyone would just say its fake or a fluke here. It's really useless to post anything. See now the original published study is fake! It doesn't matter what i post. If you want the photo then join PHG and I will send it to you.

It's totally understandable why PrettyFly didn't post here for a long time. He previously gave detailed posts about his routine and month by month results which anyone can look at. But the first response to 12 month photos by Fred is: NO OFFENSE BUT FAAAAAKE! Silly

[hellouser]

The thing is, forums create the illusion for those who post that posters are an accurate representation of total forum visitors. Only a small percentage of forum readers ever post and there is a constant influx of new forum readers. Redundancy can help prevent a new forum visitor from landing on someone's sour note.

The study is on page 1 of this thread. I'd be pretty disappointed if people simply saw the name of this thread and started reading random pages out 200+ while ignoring the very FIRST one.

[35YrsAfter]

LOL, I know, that study has been posted so many times... you'd think everyone would have seen it by now.

The thing is, forums create the illusion for those who post that posters are an accurate representation of total forum visitors. Only a small percentage of forum readers ever post and there is a constant influx of new forum readers. Redundancy can help prevent a new forum visitor from landing on someone's sour note.

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[bigentries]

I know I wouldn't do that if I were him. What does he have to prove to everyone? Nothing. I totally believe it and I've been here more than 5 years. I am a NW6 and already see old hair thickening with DR + Minox after DR'ing for 4 months and Minox for 1. The study already proved the efficacy. I am more bald than PrettyFly. I have proof of hairs turning from vellus to dark hair on DR alone. You can see hairs that are blonde ontop and black on the bottom under a microscope. I won't post any pictures because I don't have anything to prove though. There's a good chance this technique would work for alot of people. Go get your hair transplant and leave it alone.

No offense, but why even post this if you refuse to show evidence?
This pisses me off, and not only about dermarolling. HLH is very guilty of that, every treatment there has people claiming results, but no one posts pics because "they have nothing to prove"

This is very egotistical, if you have something to show, show it, we need all the information we can get, and analyse it together, good results or no results are valuable information. Otherwise, these kind of posts just add noise and leave people wondering years in the future if the treatment really worked.

PrettyFly's results are BETTER than what the study presented. He went from NW6 to an NW4.

But not in three months.
From what I remember, by the time the study popped up, PrettyFly claimed he had been on it for several months.
Nothing new, there was also a fad about minox and dermarolling years before this study appeared

[hellouser]

I admit PrettyFly's results are very good. However, they are nowhere near what the study presented. They are very good minox results however

PrettyFly's results are BETTER than what the study presented. He went from NW6 to an NW4.

[hellouser]

I haven't been following the dermarolling thread very much. SO what's the current consensus then ? THat that whole study was fake ?

Didn't do much for me and I went at it for 4-5 months of dermarolling. Well thats not true, I did bleed a bit.

[bigentries]

I admit PrettyFly's results are very good. However, they are nowhere near what the study presented. They are very good minox results however

2young2retire? I think his pics are deceiving and the fact that he got all defensive about them proves he has little to back up. I'm always wary when a new user shows up with great results and starts speaking like he is an expert on the subject

And people do have reason to lie, this is the internet, we have seen MANY cases of people that cured baldness, pranced like they were the heroes agains the Big Pharma conspiracy and disappeared or quietly ignored their previous claims after no one got results from it.

FredtheBelgian is a good example of that kind of user, since he also became famous after promoting his own protocol. Kudos to him for not running away after things got sour

I haven't been following the dermarolling thread very much. SO what's the current consensus then ? THat that whole study was fake ?

Like many, I tried the protocol for 5 months with no results. Now everyone has moved on into massacring their scalps instead of following the study.

I still feel the study had some sort of deception. The after pics show a hair length suspiciously long for a 3 month study, specially when they claim they shaved their heads to measure baselines.
Some people keep repeating the after pics are actually the 8th month results, but I haven't seen any real quote from the researchers

[Arashi]

I haven't been following the dermarolling thread very much. SO what's the current consensus then ? THat that whole study was fake ?