Dermarolling Community Trial

[Tracy C]

Stuff...

I do not trumpet "the big 3". I trumpet good quality evidence. There is little to no good quality evidence for these experimental treatments. If there was, I would would trumpet about it.

[Conpecia]

anyways back ot... i'm starting to think we should be adding minox on the days we roll, since most of the guys getting results are doing so. thoughts?

[Californication]

I think it's the latter man. This whole balding thing just takes a toll on me.

As a far dermarolling, I mentioned I still do it because I believe it helps. The problem is that it's not helping enough. It's not improving my hairline/overall scalp density enough for me to say it 100% works and can yield results. Then again, nothing currently in the market can, so I'm just screwed either way.

What I have noticed from dermarolling is terminal hair sprouting in my hairline. I just need effing more of it man. Cosmetically, these dark hair sprouts that are forming don't mean much to me unless more sprout and I can achieve at least somewhat ok density in the area. I guess its hair greed, but it's just frustrating poking holes in my skin while biting on a sock, just to grow some terminal hairs along the hairline. I need MORE! I will continue...just hope my my situation can improve.

Right there with you man, I remember you posting that because you're one of the good, reliable ones around here.

[hellouser]

I do not trumpet "the big 3". I trumpet good quality evidence. There is little to no good quality evidence for these experimental treatments. If there was, I would would trumpet about it.

My god, please STOP it with the 'good quality' crap.

That is such a vague and meaningless demand. What the hell is supposed to be 'good quality' ??? I saw in another thread you wanted to see 'good quality' photos with a 'good quality' camera. I have a $3,000 dollar dSLR camera at home with a Canon L lens that is 'good quality' but for our intent and purposes I can replicate photos that meet our desired expectations with a regular point and shoot camera for $200 dollars or less. Its not the 'good quality' camera, its me knowing how to work with a set of tools available to achieve the results.

So tell us, what is it exactly you want to see from evidence?

I'll give you a head start: evenly lit subjects with diffused lighting similar to overcast outdoor light, f/8 or higher aperture from the lens to have most of everything IN focus (no bokeh), a fast enough shutter speed to NOT allow any motion blur to give the illusion of 'double hair' and the same practice for before and after photos with the same hair style and length taken at the same angles for comparison between one and the other.

[chimera]

Hey, hellouser, have you seen princessRambo's results back at ***?...

I know he is not just using the dermaroller... but still, to achive that kind of regrowth without fin...wow...

[StayThick]

anyways back ot... i'm starting to think we should be adding minox on the days we roll, since most of the guys getting results are doing so. thoughts?

I apply Minox immediately following my dermarolling session. I tried waiting 24 hours for about 2 months and felt it did nothing but slow my progress and made no sense to me personally considering the success I've had with Rogaine.

When I started noticing "some" improvement in my hairline was when I applied MINOX immediately following a serious derma-rolling session.

Note: Fortunately, I did not notice any added/increased side effects from doing this. That's just my personal experience. Thought I'd share.

[hellouser]

Hey, hellouser, have you seen princessRambo's results back at ***?...

I know he is not just using the dermaroller... but still, to achive that kind of regrowth without fin...wow...

A quick look at his results and I can safely say the regrowth is on par with some of the BEST result's I've seen from guys that used finasteride... and hes only been dermarolling for a relatively short time. Absolutely incredible results. I hope something starts happening on my end soon. My shedding is significantly down but density, temples and hairline are still crap.

[StayThick]

A quick look at his results and I can safely say the regrowth is on par with some of the BEST result's I've seen from guys that used finasteride... and hes only been dermarolling for a relatively short time. Absolutely incredible results. I hope something starts happening on my end soon. My shedding is significantly down but density, temples and hairline are still crap.

Hellouser, I'm in the same boat and we are paddling up the same river, but short of HT, nothing will regrow your hairline/corners bro. I seen your pics. It's not happening man. It just won't. We need to maintain at this point.

I'm saving my pennies for a HT next year...

[hellouser]

Hellouser, I'm in the same boat and we are paddling up the same river, but short of HT, nothing will regrow your hairline/corners bro. I seen your pics. It's not happening man. It just won't. We need to maintain at this point.

I'm saving my pennies for a HT next year...

Only way my temples would have a chance of being filled in was if I had started a regimen 6 or so years ago. Hairline has been almost the same since, so essentially I've been about an NW2-3 for nearly a decade.

[JDW]

Hey, hellouser, have you seen princessRambo's results back at ***?...

I know he is not just using the dermaroller... but still, to achive that kind of regrowth without fin...wow...

Any chance of posting pictures of this up here somewhere?
thanks

[Tracy C]

My god, please STOP it with the 'good quality' crap.

Absolutely not - because it is not crap.

[TheJive]

OK, I'm a lot more convinced of the merits of this technique after seeing Knockin's photos.

His just looks like he grew his hair out.

Any better before and after pictures, with hair the same length.

I'm hoping that this is the answer.

[LevonHelms]

His just looks like he grew his hair out.

Any better before and after pictures, with hair the same length.

I'm hoping that this is the answer.

Theres a couple on ***.

[Knockin on NW4]

His just looks like he grew his hair out.

Any better before and after pictures, with hair the same length.

I'm hoping that this is the answer.

That's why I posted the other pic from a year ago with even longer hair. i have no new hairs on my temple corners. But existing hair is thicker. I know i need a real camera. I dont wanna take my hair back that short because it looks better how it is now.

Hopefully in about three months i can post new pics. That way it will at least be the same phone taking the pics. And hopefully my results havent peaked yet and i can show more improvement. And i will be sure to keep it the same length.

Its stressful sharing how bad my loss is. And depressing. But if it helps my bald bros out, its worth it. Im doubting it will grow temple hair, but for advanced NWs its been helping

[hellouser]

I'm switching over to dermarolling every two weeks. However, I'm being more aggressive with wounding each time I do it; drawing more blood, pressing as hard as possible (full 1.5mm depth), rolling many time over the same area and sometimes 1-3x in a single day.

A couple weeks ago I dermarolled 3 times in one day at 2 hour intervals and applied minox shortly after during one of the sessions. It stung, due to the alcohol, but no side effects what so ever.

My reasons for waiting a two week period is in regards to the following graph on wounding and healing process:



Notice that at the 7-14 day mark there are a LOT of interesting things happening? By dermarolling/wounding every 7 days its POSSIBLE that we are in constant reset mode and the healing process is never achieved, thus not inducing the necessary growth factors.

When I waited my two week period, I noticed that a LOT of dead skin was being shed after 7 days, which could suggest that this time frame works.