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  • Hairismylife
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2012
    • 383

    KO1 is shareholder of FIN, if not a salesman

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    • KO1
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2012
      • 805

      Originally posted by Hairismylife
      KO1 is shareholder of FIN, if not a salesman
      Fin has been a poor performer for Merck, so being a shareholder of Fin would not be very profitable....

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      • cichlidfort
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2013
        • 262

        Originally posted by KO1
        You still have not answered my question, and stop changing the subject. Since you know so much about "DHT and how the body works", why do most people not suffer these sides from high levels of DHT suppression?

        Enlighten me.
        There are so many grey areas in your argument it's hilarious. What are you basing your facts off of? Biased studies? Men on these forums? Yourself? Many men have had sides from the drug and I am sure there are a plethora of unreported cases. There are LAWSUITS against the drug because of the damage it's caused men! Stop being an ignorant fool and understand that this drug is not SAFE for everyone! Christ.... Do you honestly think every man is going to report negative side effects? I am not saying Fin doesn't do it's job but it is stone age in comparison to what's going to be coming out in the future.

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        • KO1
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2012
          • 805

          Originally posted by cichlidfort
          There are so many grey areas in your argument it's hilarious. What are you basing your facts off of? Biased studies? Men on these forums? Yourself? Many men have had sides from the drug and I am sure there are a plethora of unreported cases. There are LAWSUITS against the drug because of the damage it's caused men! Stop being an ignorant fool and understand that this drug is not SAFE for everyone! Christ.... Do you honestly think every man is going to report negative side effects? I am not saying Fin doesn't do it's job but it is stone age in comparison to what's going to be coming out in the future.
          Still didn't answer my question. If DHT is so crucial for all these things.

          Why don't the vast majority of people suffer these sides? So are you suggesting that in a double blinded study wiht 5% incidence of sides, 95% of people are choosing not to report them? If so, on what basis?

          Problem is your argument totally starts to fall apart when you actually you know, think about it. So you keep changing the topic.

          Also what is going to come out in the future? Lauster? Oh wait. Even future treatments will work best in conjuction with finasteride.

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          • hellouser
            Senior Member
            • May 2012
            • 4419

            Originally posted by KO1
            Also what is going to come out in the future? Lauster? Oh wait. Even future treatments will work best in conjuction with finasteride.
            LMAO! Completely false. Lauster's method does not rely on anything.

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            • KO1
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2012
              • 805

              Lauster has no method. He has been talking about clinical trials for years!

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              • hellouser
                Senior Member
                • May 2012
                • 4419

                Originally posted by KO1
                Lauster has no method. He has been talking about clinical trials for years!
                Another FALSE statement:

                Lauster hasn't said shit since 2010, how would you know what he's been saying since?

                Watch the interviews with Lauster and he explains his method.

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                • DepressedByHairLoss
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 854

                  I don't buy those studies at all that say that finasteride has only 5% side effects. There are just too many examples to the contrary, myself included. I don't believe that our bodies simply produce DHT for no reason at all, and that major suppression of it will cause no side effects whatsoever.

                  Also, treatments like those of Replicel, Lauster, and Tsuji will not need to be aided with finasteride at all. These will be cellular treatments where the stem cells that are being multiplied will be taken from DHT-resistant cells anyway.

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                  • greatjob!
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 909

                    Originally posted by cichlidfort
                    There are so many grey areas in your argument it's hilarious. What are you basing your facts off of? Biased studies? Men on these forums? Yourself? Many men have had sides from the drug and I am sure there are a plethora of unreported cases. There are LAWSUITS against the drug because of the damage it's caused men! Stop being an ignorant fool and understand that this drug is not SAFE for everyone! Christ.... Do you honestly think every man is going to report negative side effects? I am not saying Fin doesn't do it's job but it is stone age in comparison to what's going to be coming out in the future.
                    So peer reviewed studies are biased, but lawsuits are objective definitive proof? I can bring a lawsuit about anything for any reason.

                    This whole argument is stupid and useless. Finasteride does have side effects just like any other drug. The side effects are published and well documented. It is the only proven treatment that is currently available to slow, stop or possibly reverse hair loss. Every balding man should at least consider taking it. If you don't want to take it good for you, if you do want to take it good for you. Period end of story. Now please STFU!

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                    • hellouser
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2012
                      • 4419

                      Originally posted by DepressedByHairLoss
                      Also, treatments like those of Replicel, Lauster, and Tsuji will not need to be aided with finasteride at all. These will be cellular treatments where the stem cells that are being multiplied will be taken from DHT-resistant cells anyway.
                      Only problem is that Replicel's treatment isn't really using all the stem cells in a hair follicle, they're only using Dermal Sheath Cup cells, so its not really known yet if that alone will create new follicles from scratch. Its more likely that these cells may bind to existing miniaturized or dormant follicles and rejuvenate them.

                      Tsuji's and Lauster's methods are the holy grail with Tsuji's method being superior only by the fact that it would enable simple cell injections and watching yourself grow a lion's mane of hair. Lauster's (for now anyway) would require implants of the artificial follicles which would be quite lengthy to do for full thickness (15,000+ follicles). However, I suppose since he's basically cloned them, perhaps he's got control over how many hairs grow out of a single follicle? Maybe you could have a choice of implanting only 3 and 4 hair grafts and lessen the amount of work, and then limit yourself to 1-3 hair grafts for the hairline for a natural look?

                      Whatever the case is, their treatments are long overdue and Finasteride's death is also long overdue.

                      I'm fvcking tired of waiting.

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                      • KO1
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2012
                        • 805

                        Which phase of clinical trials is Lauster in? Tsuji is a long way away from clinical trials of any kind, which he himself has stated.

                        Replicel will work better on extant hair that is miniaturized, so you will want to keep the most you can.

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                        • KO1
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2012
                          • 805

                          Originally posted by greatjob!
                          So peer reviewed studies are biased, but lawsuits are objective definitive proof? I can bring a lawsuit about anything for any reason.

                          This whole argument is stupid and useless. Finasteride does have side effects just like any other drug. The side effects are published and well documented. It is the only proven treatment that is currently available to slow, stop or possibly reverse hair loss. Every balding man should at least consider taking it. If you don't want to take it good for you, if you do want to take it good for you. Period end of story. Now please STFU!
                          Pretty much my opinion as well.

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                          • hellouser
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2012
                            • 4419

                            Originally posted by KO1
                            Which phase of clinical trials is Lauster in? Tsuji is a long way away from clinical trials of any kind, which he himself has stated.

                            Replicel will work better on extant hair that is miniaturized, so you will want to keep the most you can.
                            I thought you had inside info of what Lauster has been saying since 2010? Do YOU know what phase of clinical trials Lauster is in?

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                            • Arashi
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 3888

                              Regardless, please stop discussing Fin in the cutting edge/future treatments sections for Christ's sake. Nobody here is interested in that poison.

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                              • KO1
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2012
                                • 805

                                Originally posted by hellouser
                                I thought you had inside info of what Lauster has been saying since 2010? Do YOU know what phase of clinical trials Lauster is in?
                                There is no evidence Lauster is in clinical trials of any sort for MPB. Feel free to show me otherwise.

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