Conpecia's Indo/Chromo/Minox Log

[bibz]

con buddy, i took fin for 1 year years ago, but had huge nasty sexual sides, 9 month ago i took the decision to go back on fin with 0,25mg ED, and let me tell you, 100% efficiency, 0% sides.
My girlfriend tells me that i'm a god in the bed lol, so just go with 0.25mg, but that's true that there is still some guyz who have sides with that dosage but try it, that was one of my best decision!

[bibz]

And about, indo/chromo, had a huge shedding the last 3 weeks, but today things seem to be good.
On the hairsite forum, many guyz are in the same boat, they had a huge shedding, but have some regrowth today and better hair condition in the 2-3month mark.
Fin or cb for the DHT
Min for the pge2
indo/chromo for the pgd2
Things can only be BETTER with that

[justeone]

sounds like a great plan Conpecia , I may have to follow up with a derma roller too ... how does that work with longer hair ? let me know after your first roll how it is . Im still apply minox . and indo/chromo.. had a bit of a shed today. but onwards we go

[Conpecia]

Con, what is the lowest dose of fin you have tried???

0.05mg/day reduces serum DHT by only 50% vs 70% like the other doses..I would definitely try that before dut if you were still considering it

I have tried .2 but never .05. How do you even get that kind of dose??

.2 gives me the exact same sides as 1mg. I was taking .2 once every 3 days and still had a very sore chest.

[Conpecia]

con buddy, i took fin for 1 year years ago, but had huge nasty sexual sides, 9 month ago i took the decision to go back on fin with 0,25mg ED, and let me tell you, 100% efficiency, 0% sides.
My girlfriend tells me that i'm a god in the bed lol, so just go with 0.25mg, but that's true that there is still some guyz who have sides with that dosage but try it, that was one of my best decision!

.25 gave me sides unfortunately. This was after 3 months of no finasteride. It's now been 9 months since I've taken it. I may try it again.

[Conpecia]

Guys: DUT is less likely to cause gyno than Fin!!!

No clue why but it's been proven. That's why I'm considering DUT. My sides are estrogen related not libido related.

[Conpecia]

guys my mpb is still progressing. i took some overhead photos today that clearly show my crown diffusing worse than it was a few months ago. my hairline also continues to recede. it's unbelievable how quickly this has progressed since stopping finasteride in 2012. i barely had a spot this time last year and now the top of my head looks pretty disgusting to be honest.

judging from the photographs there are no hairs growing in to replace everything i'm shedding. minox is simply not working for me in the crown, surely after 5 months i would have seen results if it was.

i am committed to giving the i/c combo until the end of august, but i can certainly say it has NOT stopped my hair loss whatsoever in one month of consistent use. i do not think i will be purchasing it again, particularly now that there is the possibility of dutasteride working for me as well as CB on the way.

i'm really sorry this hasn't had the immediate effects that others have spoken of. perhaps i'm simply not a good responder. perhaps i'm going through a heavy shed that will stop in the next couple weeks. only time will tell, but those pictures have really got me down. the bald truth is that we don't have anything beyond propecia and other anti androgens to faithfully stop hair loss.

[clandestine]

The end of August? Should you not be on a treatment for at least 8months I order to effectively gauge efficacy?

[StayThick]

The end of August? Should you not be on a treatment for at least 8months I order to effectively gauge efficacy?

It doesn't work. Deal with it. There is a reason why it's not a talked about treatment in any other medium. Just people who experiment with it and then ultimately stop. Just doesnt work.

Conpecia: I don't think trying DUT is a good idea bro. Especially considering you couldn't tolerate Propecia. Estrogen issues aside, DUT is very powerful.

I'm not sure you are aware of the road you are following right now. CB isn't the answer either. It's all wishful thinking.

With all the useless treatments out there, it still seems that the only effective FDA drugs for hairloss are:

Propecia (if you can tolerate it)
Rogaine (Minox)

And a HT if you want a quick and potential permanent solution. It sucks man. We are running out of options.

[Conpecia]

The end of August? Should you not be on a treatment for at least 8months I order to effectively gauge efficacy?

Yes, in most cases you need at LEAST 6 months to effectively gauge efficacy. However, I consider this case unique because of the widespread reports that I/C *quickly* stopped hair loss, some saying in a matter of days (not really possible) and others saying in a matter of weeks (very possible). I believe 8 weeks is plenty of time to gauge whether one's hair loss has slowed.

In all candor, I was pissed off yesterday after thoroughly examining my crown and seeing such thin hair. If guys were saying "I/C combo takes a couple months to kick in like Fin" I'd stick with it for longer. And I probably *will* continue to use it because I believe in the pgd2 inhibition theory.

However, since it's not working the way the majority of people have said it works, I am gonna have to add a more proven treatment like DUT or FIN to be absolutely certain that I'm attacking mpb from all known angles.

Since I have to resort to that kind of treatment it will effectively END my trial, since any results can be attributed to either the I/C finally kicking in or the DHT-inhibitors, or a combination of the 2.

I understand that this doesn't help guys who want to know the longterm efficacy of I/C combo in isolation. However, this WILL demonstrate that I/C combo does not stop everyone's loss in a matter of weeks.

As I said earlier in the thread, my regimen as of 8/15 will be:

Minox
I/C
DUT
Derma rolling
Regenepure

[Conpecia]

Conpecia: I don't think trying DUT is a good idea bro. Especially considering you couldn't tolerate Propecia. Estrogen issues aside, DUT is very powerful.

I'm not sure you are aware of the road you are following right now. CB isn't the answer either. It's all wishful thinking.

With all the useless treatments out there, it still seems that the only effective FDA drugs for hairloss are:

Propecia (if you can tolerate it)
Rogaine (Minox)

And a HT if you want a quick and potential permanent solution. It sucks man. We are running out of options.

1. I took Propecia for over 6 years with no sides. It wasn't until the 7th year that I developed gynecomastia.

2. I didn't have sexual side effects from Propecia. I had estrogen-related side effects.

3. Dutasteride, surprisingly, is half as likely to cause gynecomastia than finasteride.

So actually I *should* take dut instead of fin in this case, as weird as it sounds.

[bibz]

Dude i would advice you to stick on it despite of the shedding. I will stay on it at least 6 month, but if you really want to stop, u just fvcked some cash, and hairs for strictly nothing.

[Conpecia]

bibz: i'm gonna stick on it but am adding fin or dut or cb or ru. meaning this trial won't be authoritative.

[chimera]

But gynecomastia is a result of increased estrogen levels, and elevated estrogen levels are elevated because of elevated free testosterone levels, and elevated free testosterone levels are elevated because the percentage of free testosterone wich was supposed to get converted into dht that just can't do it anymore thanks to fin.

So, dutasteride blocks even more free testostorone from getting converted on dht, and as a result, you have even more free testosterone in your body with dutasteride than finasteride, and then, in the end, is more the free testosterone wich gets converted into more estrogen.

How is dut supposed to help you reduce estrogen-related sides?

Still, I wish you the best.

[StayThick]

1. I took Propecia for over 6 years with no sides. It wasn't until the 7th year that I developed gynecomastia.

2. I didn't have sexual side effects from Propecia. I had estrogen-related side effects.

3. Dutasteride, surprisingly, is half as likely to cause gynecomastia than finasteride.

So actually I *should* take dut instead of fin in this case, as weird as it sounds.

#3 comment doesn't make any sense... Could you elaborate on this statement?