Histogen's FINAL Phase I/IIa Results (2013)

[ryan555]

Actually I lost my erections. And I'm young and fit. All good now but it made me depressed and anxious. Not only was I depressed about my hair I'd lost my manhood. I was royally upset and thank god I got my mojo back.

It is a risk no matter how small and fin users need all the information to make their own decisions.

To say there were no fin side effects claims 15 years ago is like saying there was no Internet 15 years ago. Snap!

I didn't say there weren't side effects, I said they're greatly blown out of proportion. There are studies like the Japanese one posted in some other thread in here that showed lower incidence of side effects for guys on a low dose of propecia than guys on a placebo. No matter who studies this, no one seems to be able to reproduce either long term persistent side effects or side effect rates over about 2%. And yet magically, when you go online, more like half of the guys taking it claim to have terrible side effects. Meanwhile, loads of young guys are reading this and going bald, spending their lives obsessing and hanging out talking to whackos on hair loss forums. That is a travesty.

[Kiwi]

Your chances are probably greater that you'll get run over by a car than having persistent side effects from propecia. All the hysteria-spreaders have done a massive disservice to you young guys. 15 years ago, no one knew about persistent side effects, no one talked about them, and no one ever seemed to get them. Then some Swedish guy claims he was permanently neutered by the drug, propeciahelp pops up, and suddenly half the guys taking it claim they have terrible side effects. Nevermind that an independent study of the subject recently showed nearly the exact same side effect incidence and profile that Merck reported all those years ago. Stop worrying. It's all blown out of proportion and you will never get your hair back once it falls out.

Actually I lost my erections. And I'm young and fit. All good now but it made me depressed and anxious. Not only was I depressed about my hair I'd lost my manhood. I was royally upset and thank god I got my mojo back.

It is a risk no matter how small and fin users need all the information to make their own decisions.

To say there were no fin side effects claims 15 years ago is like saying there was no Internet 15 years ago. Snap!

[ryan555]

I'd take fin in a heartbeat if I knew I'd be ok

Your chances are probably greater that you'll get run over by a car than having persistent side effects from propecia. All the hysteria-spreaders have done a massive disservice to you young guys. 15 years ago, no one knew about persistent side effects, no one talked about them, and no one ever seemed to get them. Then some Swedish guy claims he was permanently neutered by the drug, propeciahelp pops up, and suddenly half the guys taking it claim they have terrible side effects. Nevermind that an independent study of the subject recently showed nearly the exact same side effect incidence and profile that Merck reported all those years ago. Stop worrying. It's all blown out of proportion and you will never get your hair back once it falls out.

[Phatalis]

I'd take fin in a heartbeat if I knew I'd be ok

[Phatalis]

The boldest part is the only correct statement here.

This is the stupidest piece of advice a young man could ever get. This guy literally knows nothing about this drug, didn't get side effects himself, and now wants to discourage other people from taking the drug. Absolute dumbf**k.

If you're a young man losing his hair, you need to get on medications, and those can be fin, dut, or RU.

Go to www dot twinshairloss dot com. Then decide which twin you want to be.

I wasn't giving "advice" to anyone asshat. I was making a statement upon my own decisions for me.

No need to be a ****ing douchebag. Fin scares me. I'm one of those "young guys" who could be totally fine if I just took fin right now probably. But I'm too scared and the risks aren't worth it.

[Thinning87]

Answer me this- If you were a founder, would you seek to raise "surplus" (obviously not for immediate use) funding before Phase I/IIa results are disseminated or after if the results would increase the companies valuation?

And why were they unsuccessful raising it?

Both rhetorical.

right but you're making wrongful assumptions:

1) Their results are far off from being bad. It's not a definitive cure, but it's a hell of a lot better than anything else on the market and beats most of what is being developed. They have the most solid results of all the new companies

2) Whoever said they are looking for "surplus" funds - they already raised significant amounts of money and they are sticking to a business plan that is common in the biotech world, which is to partner up with someone after early stage development. They are showing results that they have shown a year ago

These are fundamental facts that you should take into consideration in your analysis

[Thinning87]

Blah blah blah blah blah (your crap comments needed at least 5 blahs). More speculative crap from a forum newbie. Thanks!

1) Histogen have shown "cosmetic" results.
2) Desmond got it wrong regarding toxicity
3) More Histogen trials start this year

That's what's important to me. Friends you can believe this chump or follow the Histogen facts.

I bet this guy wears a cheap pin stripe suit so he can feel like one of the big boys but I can assure you Histogen is alive and well.

well we don't know #3 is confirmed, we all assumed that would be on schedule but we never got official confirmation of this

[Thinning87]

Don't need to be an expert of an industry, rather an expert of the VC world to know whats going on. Whenever a company tries to jam through "surplus funding" right before phase results, you know a dark cloud is on the horizon. Try to raise as much capital at baseline valuation right before valuation takes a hit. Seen it way too many times before. They call it the death spiral.
Good luck.

They're not just looking for new funding, they're looking for a partner that will contribute to later phase development and provide marketing and sales infrastructure.

Note that these "new" results are nothing different from what we all knew a year ago, but the emotional volatility of the forum has made it look like these are new unsuccessful results.

It's the exact same thing Replicel has done and I don't see you telling us Replicel is also finished...

[inkt2002]

You have no place here Mr Cheap suit and speculation. If you feel like spinning this type of crap go do it in the Gho threads. We're used to crap and spin over there.

This is the cutting edge forum where we members talk about new tech. You're speculating. Now Gho away.

Unfortunately straw man and wishful thinking do not make for a compelling counter to my concerns/questions. You appear far removed from the real world. Good luck with Histogen. And I mean that.

In the VC world, there is an old saying "Evaluate on what they do, not what they say". The course of action Histogen has taken leading up to their result dissemination speaks louder than the results themselves. For an outsider/forum hopeful like yourself, it will be time that will have to prove me right.

[Kiwi]

Answer me this- If you were a founder, would you seek to raise "surplus" (obviously not for immediate use) funding before Phase I/IIa results are disseminated or after if the results would increase the companies valuation?

And why were they unsuccessful raising it?

Both rhetorical.

You have no place here Mr Cheap suit and speculation. If you feel like spinning this type of crap go do it in the Gho threads. We're used to crap and spin over there.

This is the cutting edge forum where we members talk about new tech. You're speculating. Now Gho away.

[inkt2002]

Sorry brah, you're ignoring factual occurrences and delving into speculation. Moreover, you're presenting said speculation in a manner which would have people believe its factual.

You're full of shit.

I'll take that as "Obviously after the results are released".

[clandestine]

Sorry brah, you're ignoring factual occurrences and delving into speculation. Moreover, you're presenting said speculation in a manner which would have people believe its factual.

You're full of shit.

[inkt2002]

Answer me this- If you were a founder, would you seek to raise "surplus" (obviously not for immediate use) funding before Phase I/IIa results are disseminated or after if the results would increase the companies valuation?

And why were they unsuccessful raising it?

Both rhetorical.

[bibz]

@Kiwi
Mazel tov my friend, 100% agree

[Kiwi]

Don't need to be an expert of an industry, rather an expert of the VC world to know whats going on. Whenever a company tries to jam through "surplus funding" right before phase results, you know a dark cloud is on the horizon. Try to raise as much capital at baseline valuation right before valuation takes a hit. Seen it way too many times before. They call it the death spiral.
Good luck.

Blah blah blah blah blah (your crap comments needed at least 5 blahs). More speculative crap from a forum newbie. Thanks!

1) Histogen have shown "cosmetic" results.
2) Desmond got it wrong regarding toxicity
3) More Histogen trials start this year

That's what's important to me. Friends you can believe this chump or follow the Histogen facts.

I bet this guy wears a cheap pin stripe suit so he can feel like one of the big boys but I can assure you Histogen is alive and well.