Histogen's FINAL Phase I/IIa Results (2013)

[Scientalk56]

Look at the hair count. Only about 2% increase in temples after 24 weeks.

where is that written? :O ?

[Arashi]

where is that written? :O ?

Just look at the chart under 'temporal recession region' in the PDF Desmond posted. You're talking baout 'terminal density'. It seems to me that this means the terminal hairs just got 25% thicker. Which might give a somewhat noticable effect. But only if you have hair on your temples to begin with, since temple hair count only increased with 2% after 24 months, in that same chart.

[Thinning87]

Hehe, that's just terminology. They need someone to bring them money to carry on with their research, I don't care how you call it.

No this is not like debating if the glass is half full or half empty.

If they were looking for an investor they'd be in trouble, and that's how you want to make it look. But guess what: "Investor" Not Equal "Partner".

So they are not in trouble and everything is proceeding according to plan. This is the point here, so stop spreading unfunded negative rumors because you are sad for your own reasons.

[Arashi]

No this is not like debating if the glass is half full or half empty.

If they were looking for an investor they'd be in trouble, and that's how you want to make it look. But guess what: "Investor" Not Equal "Partner".

So they are not in trouble and everything is proceeding according to plan. This is the point here, so stop spreading unfunded negative rumors because you are sad for your own reasons.

I'm not 'sad', but just tremendously disappointed by these results. And again, I don't really care how you call it, investor, partner or whatever. What I'm saying is that it's going to be very difficult for them to find one and that in MY OPINION chances of this product ever reaching the market greatly dimmed after these results.

[Scientalk56]

Just look at the chart under 'temporal recession region' in the PDF Desmond posted. You're talking baout 'terminal density'. It seems to me that this means the terminal hairs just got 25% thicker. Which might give a somewhat noticable effect. But only if you have hair on your temples to begin with, since temple hair count only increased with 2% after 24 months, in that same chart.

Can you print screen that please? i can't see it :S

[Arashi]

Can you print screen that please? i can't see it :S

See the big 'RESULTS' heading in green ? Then look below the picture. You'll see a chart there.

[Scientalk56]

lol cant see it, srsly

lol,
i think Freud has to say something about not seeing this...
Is my mind trying so hard to block that, so i wont get traumatized? lol

[Arashi]

lol,
i think Freud has to say something about not seeing this...
Is my mind trying so hard to block that, so i wont get traumatized? lol

Sorry, I was even pointing you to the wrong chart. It's in the colomn to the right of that colum with the 'results' heading. But you can't miss it

[Scientalk56]

ohhh... we're f*c*ed.. :|

i mean if Histogen can't regrow my very big temples, my head will still look funny with new thick hair and no temples... :S

[garethbale]

ohhh... we're f*c*ed.. :|

i mean if Histogen can't regrow my very big temples, my head will still look funny with new thick hair and no temples... :S

Transplant for the temples my friend

[Vox]

OK guys, you seem to severely downplay the anaemia part. This is no joke. It is not like the side effects we knew so far. Who can guarantee that you will not develop anaemia after some years of repetitive treatments, even if you don't exceed what it seems to be safe today? I would not be surprised if they go another safety round because of this.

[bigentries]

Another intercytex situation, mediocre results (now with safety concerns) and still people try to defend them.
Like Intercytex, I bet Histogen will quietly disappear from the scene.

This pushes HM at least 20 years

The silence from Aderans tells me they have the same troubles. Now let's wait until a new savior arises

[Arashi]

Another intercytex situation, mediocre results (now with safety concerns) and still people try to defend them.
Like Intercytex, I bet Histogen will quietly disappear from the scene.

This pushes HM at least 20 years

The silence from Aderans tells me they have the same troubles. Now let's wait until a new savior arises

Agreed that silence is a very bad sign in this business. Companies with success usually like to boast them ASAP and publicize any favorable interim result as soon as they can. However I don't agree that this pushes back HM 20 years. Don't forget that Jahoda already succeeded at bio-engineering a human hair follicle and have it grow on human skin !! They just need to optimize it and run trials. But 20 years is way too pessimistic here for something that they've already succeeded doing !

[Vox]

Don't forget that Jahoda already succeeded at bio-engineering a human hair follicle and have it grow on human skin !! They just need to optimize it and run trials. But 20 years is way too pessimistic here for something that they've already succeeded doing !

How about 5-10 years for this kind of cure?

[Arashi]

How about 5-10 years for this kind of cure?

That's what I'm hoping for and seems realistic. But man, who knows. Always something unexpected arises. But I have faith, great progress IS being made and since they've already done it as a proof of concept, it gives me great hope for this technique.