Dr Nigam, my own experience

[Arashi]

Hello,

Im very busy with my work but really I need to just ask you guys something:

How its possible to dont trust dr nigam when he will present a patch test to dr mwamba in september and when I am personally a case study ? How its possible ?

The only reason I still have SOME faith in Dr Nigams is your case study, Tom. But even you'll have to admit that uptil now there's 0 evidence of what Nigams can do and it's a real possibility your case fails. I'm not saying it will, for all we know it might succeed (which we're all hoping for), but just saying there's 0 evidence as of today ... And there's always been a LOT of 'funny stuff' going on regarding Dr Nigams, which all doesn't make him too credible or trustworthy ... And ok, I can understand that NeverSayNever is very angry at Dr Nigams for revealing his identity, but OBI ??? Why is he gone ? Why isn't Dr Nigams calling him to offer him $1000 if he posts his photo's ? Cause if OBI had success, it would be THE final proof of his HM procedure. Yet, OBI never returned and there's still 0 proof as of today ...

[Arashi]

And although Boldy seems to be extremely knowledgeable and I have a lot of respect for him, for doing this, even Boldy must admit that it's a bit weird that he's currently the 'lead researcher' regarding the 3d stuff for Nigams. A hobbyist being the lead researcher should succeed where big companies like Aderans failed ? Again, it might work out, Boldy seems to be very good and I do have faith in him, but again ... it's all a bit weird isn't it ?

We just need to see some proof, that's all. If Dr Nigams would post good, trustworthy photo's, all the critics would shut up and he'd have planes full of people going to India ...

[tom vercetti]

The only reason I still have SOME faith in Dr Nigams is your case study, Tom. But even you'll have to admit that uptil now there's 0 evidence of what Nigams can do and it's a real possibility your case fails. I'm not saying it will, for all we know it might succeed (which we're all hoping for), but just saying there's 0 evidence as of today ... And there's a LOT of 'funny stuff' going on regarding Dr Nigams, which all doesn't make him too credible or trustworthy ...

Yes I know Arashi, no evidence yet. But "no evidence yet" is just normal.. as he is improving the technique all the time and due to normal time it takes to my hair to regrowth. Just what I ask is to stop to blam him before he can do anything. Peoples just need to wait few months more. Me and boldy was in india not only for us, but also for you. Boldy applied scientific paper protocol in order to enhance culture of DP, and I made the appointment for give you a part of the protocol and even get new evidence with dr mwamba wich is the best hair transplant in europe and a trusty person.

Peoples will have doubling in europe soon. 3D dp cells in paper made new hair in human skin.. lets see the beautiful sky !

People prefer see the half empty glass rather than the half filled part..

[Arashi]

Yes I know Arashi, no evidence yet. But "no evidence yet" is just normal.. as he is improving the technique all the time and due to normal time it takes to my hair to regrowth. Just what I ask is to stop to blam him before he can do anything. Peoples just need to wait few months more. Me and boldy was in india not only for us, but also for you. Boldy applied scientific paper protocol in order to enhance culture of DP, and I made the appointment for give you a part of the protocol and even get new evidence with dr mwamba wich is the best hair transplant in europe and a trusty person.

Peoples will have doubling in europe soon. 3D dp cells in paper made new hair in human skin.. lets see the beautiful sky !

People prefer see the half empty glass rather than the half filled part..

So Tom, Dr Nigams shot photo's of your scalp right ? Any idea when he'll be posting them ? Or could you maybe post some photo's yourself ? How's your recipient developing anyway ?

[tom vercetti]

And although Boldy seems to be extremely knowledgeable and I have a lot of respect for him, for doing this, even Boldy must admit that it's a bit weird that he's currently the 'lead researcher' regarding the 3d stuff for Nigams. A hobbyist being the lead researcher should succeed where big companies like Aderans failed ? Again, it might work out, Boldy seems to be very good and I do have faith in him, but again ... it's all a bit weird isn't it ?

We just need to see some proof, that's all. If Dr Nigams would post good, trustworthy photo's, all the critics would shut up and he'd have planes full of people going to India ...

well, science is science, we already have paper that show result on human skin using 3D dp cells.. But need to get clincial trial, safety toxicity study, and also the ethical art of cloning.. so you will get it but not before 2017 / 2020. And also its not the business plan part of companies like aderans.

[Arashi]

well, science is science, we already have paper that show result on human skin using 3D dp cells.. But need to get clincial trial, safety toxicity study, and also the ethical art of cloning.. so you will get it but not before 2017 / 2020. And also its not the business plan part of companies like aderans.

That's true. Nigams can hopefully bypass all that. Let's hope Boldy can repeat what Jahoda did then !

[tom vercetti]

So Tom, Dr Nigams shot photo's of your scalp right ? Any idea when he'll be posting them ? Or could you maybe post some photo's yourself ? How's your recipient developing anyway ?

Yes one person did, but only few because dr nigam was not here, but I will take micro pics of my donor anyway and macro of my recipient, no problem. Its too early to speak before the 5 months for doubling, and today is just 2 months..

[Arashi]

Yes one person did, but only few because dr nigam was not here, but I will take micro pics of my donor anyway and macro of my recipient, no problem. Its too early to speak before the 5 months for doubling, and today is just 2 months..

Yeah 2 months is still very early ... But on the other hand, my regrowth after my HASCI procedure started after 2 months. At first not visible for the naked eye, but I could spot it on photo's. So who knows, maybe there's something to see already ! Would love to see a photo either way Tom ! And thanks for doing all this.

[tom vercetti]

Yes possible, I will post and let you judge anyway

[One]

Yes possible, I will post and let you judge anyway

Please, please, can be summed up in bold and clearly written what has been done in the procedure? (extracted grafts and grafted total, prp, print cells, etc.).

We are all here to work together, but each individual case that is posted by Dr. Nigam or a patient is always extremely confusing, and I'm sorry to repeat myself unprofessional.

However my advice and I hope that is accepted, given that if you post something on the forum is to have it read to others, it would be appropriate to use the criteria to make things neat and orderly. By doing so you gain you and we make ourselves. We all are winners.

I hope you will improve in the future. It 's really important that you manage to make us understand what you do in a clear, if not, the documentation has no value!


Place a clinical case of Koray as an example:


ASMED Hair Treatments - Dr Koray Erdogan


3124 FUE grafts extracted with manual punch in titanium, diameter 0.7 - 0.9 mm.


Engravings by: custom made blades, lateral slit


412 Single grafts

911 Double grafts

1801 Multiple grafts

[Boldy]

And although Boldy seems to be extremely knowledgeable and I have a lot of respect for him, for doing this, even Boldy must admit that it's a bit weird that he's currently the 'lead researcher' regarding the 3d stuff for Nigams. A hobbyist being the lead researcher should succeed where big companies like Aderans failed ? Again, it might work out, Boldy seems to be very good and I do have faith in him, but again ... it's all a bit weird isn't it ?

We just need to see some proof, that's all. If Dr Nigams would post good, trustworthy photo's, all the critics would shut up and he'd have planes full of people going to India ...

Hey Arashi,
I think if I staid passive, then the same would have happened anyway, but maybe 5-8 years later. The thing is there are so many papers out there(I can show you my dropbox if you want, just register at *******.com private forum, you're welcome there ), that it takes a full man job to figure it out. reading these papers and knowing what could be possible, without taking any action, is something I can not deal with..

Regarding nigam, I think someone who runs 2 clinics and 6-8 patients per day, is to busy to do both, research and managing the clinic. You can't be perfect in both. His lab processes his requests,exactly as he wants it, now they are aware of all the 3d happening and studies done on humans, they will continue that.


I think you have to figure out what exactly you wan't to see from nigams. His doubling? His oldschool Hm method or what is it exactly?

if its his doubling, then you can only do 1 thing: waiting for the users like tom or wesley or maybe others that pass the 6-8 months. it doesn't make sense to ask a daily proof, hair cycles don't go that fast. It does not make sense to keep wining, about people who disappeared, or are just 2 months after procedure (don't take it personal, I'm talking in general)

If you want to see results for 3d culture protocol, then its the same story, time will tell. materials have to arrive and protocols have to be tested (in vitro first). Cells need their time to grow, various compositions of cells, have to be tested to build the perfect scaffold.

regarding me that has to be the proactive one in this field.. Yes its sad, that this is not happened 10 years ago, by other people..




My advice for you, give your self some more the time, until things are more certain. try to maintain as much as possible in the meantime (slow down AGA with the proven drugs, if your body tolerates it)

tom's and wesleys doublings will show us the answer within 6 months.

see you on *******.

[mari0s]

If you want to see results for 3d culture protocol, then its the same story, time will tell. materials have to arrive and protocols have to be tested (in vitro first). Cells need their time to grow, various compositions of cells, have to be tested to build the perfect scaffold.

I'm interested in 3d culture too cause i belive mesenchymal stem cells could do a lot to "protect" the existent follicles against the advancing of aga, in another thread i've tried to ipotize a timeline but i'm not a biologist so i don't know if i have been to optimistic

"Hi Boldy first i would thank you to be on proactive side of the problem and to release this update.
Are you confident enough to estabilish a timeline?
In middle of august 3d supplies should arrive then it will required 6 weeks- 2 months for cells expansion, then they could try different 3d protocols along the fine tuning of 2d protocols, i dont know this part how much time required.

Then it could be final tested on people and wait the canonical 6 months for results (the beard dp should be on project stage so its far away for now)
By July 2014 we could expect to see some results on people in your opinion? "

Regarding ******* i've tried to register but they seems to not accepting anyone

[The Alchemist]

The only reason I still have SOME faith in Dr Nigams is your case study, Tom. But even you'll have to admit that uptil now there's 0 evidence of what Nigams can do and it's a real possibility your case fails. I'm not saying it will, for all we know it might succeed (which we're all hoping for), but just saying there's 0 evidence as of today ... And there's always been a LOT of 'funny stuff' going on regarding Dr Nigams, which all doesn't make him too credible or trustworthy ... And ok, I can understand that NeverSayNever is very angry at Dr Nigams for revealing his identity, but OBI ??? Why is he gone ? Why isn't Dr Nigams calling him to offer him $1000 if he posts his photo's ? Cause if OBI had success, it would be THE final proof of his HM procedure. Yet, OBI never returned and there's still 0 proof as of today ...

These are good points. Furthermore, if OBI had good results we would be hearing from him and he wouldn't have cut off contact with Nigam. He would of signed up again for another treatment. I was sceptical of him to begin with because he showed up on the scene about the same time as Nigam.

And the same goes for Neversaynever. If he was getting more hair from a revolutionary treatment provided by Nigam, he would put aside his differences with him. For christ's sakes, if Nigam gave NSN a treatment that worked to provied either greatly expanded or unlimited donor, he could be banging his mother and NSN would forgive him.

They didn't get results - i think that much is obvious.

[sausage]

So we should be seeing some amazing results in 5 months time......

I'll wait for these amazing results.......going to be interesting.

[didi]

These are good points. Furthermore, if OBI had good results we would be hearing from him and he wouldn't have cut off contact with Nigam. He would of signed up again for another treatment. I was sceptical of him to begin with because he showed up on the scene about the same time as Nigam.

And the same goes for Neversaynever. If he was getting more hair from a revolutionary treatment provided by Nigam, he would put aside his differences with him. For christ's sakes, if Nigam gave NSN a treatment that worked to provied either greatly expanded or unlimited donor, he could be banging his mother and NSN would forgive him.

They didn't get results - i think that much is obvious.

GC can send email to neversaynever?

So what if Dr Nigam revealed NSNs identity, ok guy is pissed off, damage is done? If NSN had good results he would go back for more and he could get it for free since dr nigams 'screwd' him over?
its not like a big deal..then now boldy is pissed off bc dr anjeli made some baseless accusations and has to give up on project...somehow it affects him


Maybe it was all staged, its very mysterious and then there is OBI guy


I don't like when forum members disappear after enthusiastic start

are they even alive?