Stem Cell HM Result, 4 month@Dr. Nigam

[Tomb10]

Dr nigam,

Do you think your new treatment also protects the hair you still got?
or you still need to take finasteride?

[caddarik79]

Very good question. Of course I've given it quite some thought and in the end I just figured, since another HST won't give me noticeable thinning in my donor and it DOES improve my hairline + density on top, then why wait ? After my 2nd HST I figure I'll be done for at least 3 years and by then, I'll see if there are any new treatments available (hopefully so).

Yes same here, I hesitate between going for the end of this year or extend the break and see how happy this first result can leave me...
as you said, we did not reach yet our maximal final result...so maybe, the best before going for another, is to evaluate at 12 months, if it's rather stable...then maybe, with good shampoos, vitamins, some cure of aminexil or whatever can give you another couple of months or even a year or two of time to reconsider...

I was thinking of that and also, about not being transplanted everywhere on top of the head too quickly since it can be problematic for any other future treatment...


and some other days, I'm having another reasoning...
considering HASCI as the holy grail, the most promising, knowing that Gho works on improving more and more...and then I'm thinking: "OK, let's go there every year until I reach a very full head" of hair and I'm saying to myself : "maybe four or five HST in a row and then we will be in 2018 and then for sure, Gho will have shown us even better and I'm cured + enjoyed my thirty's!!!"

2012 was a +1800 grafts (hairline), 2013 another +1800 grafts (hairline density and top), 2014 maybe another 1800 grafts (top and crown), 2015 a 1500 grafts (dense packing), 2016 another 1500 (dense packing)... hoping that in the meantime, Gho interrupts by saying "dear HST patient, I have better and faster...let's try it"

I always now put an HST in my annual budget calculation, but I'd like to have a better option, even if I'm glad they exist of course...

what a dilemma...

[caddarik79]

and yes, to come back to Nigam, if he was documenting and certified, and better or even pionner in HM, or the first one to offer it safely and efficiently... I would not mind flying to India, I want there already as a toursit... it would even be a 2 in 1...

But as many said and I agree, there is a big background of photoshoped, and contradictory posts.. etc that killed the trust a bit.
Now I reckon that he gave so much inputs, I am very attentive and interested in reading his posts...but still, I would need much more and much more official proofs...

But I give it some credit...

[garethbale]

caddarick

may i ask, what Norwood has Gho made your hairline? Is it dense and can you grow it?

I've given a HT (specifically HST) some thought but am too unsure to go ahead with it.

[Arashi]

and some other days, I'm having another reasoning...
considering HASCI as the holy grail, the most promising, knowing that Gho works on improving more and more...and then I'm thinking: "OK, let's go there every year until I reach a very full head" of hair and I'm saying to myself : "maybe four or five HST in a row and then we will be in 2018 and then for sure, Gho will have shown us even better and I'm cured + enjoyed my thirty's!!!"

While I agree that currently Gho's HST is the best thing available, it is NOT the holy grail. Best case scenario you'll lose 20% in donor each time. But I believe this number to be actually higher. We'll hopefully find out in the next few weeks via the 50 graft test. I'm pretty sure that if you do 5 HST's in a row, you'll start to see difference in your donor area. That's why I think it's best to plan it in such a way that you'll maximum need 3-4 HST's. I still think in a 8-10 year timeframe before a REAL cure is available and has been thoroughly tested not to be dangerous/cancerous. So my plan is to bridge 8-10 years with maximum of 4 HST's. But like said, hopefully we'll know more about the true effectivity of HST soon and we can make a better plan.

[garethbale]

While I agree that currently Gho's HST is the best thing available, it is NOT the holy grail. Best case scenario you'll lose 20% in donor each time. But I believe this number to be actually higher. We'll hopefully find out in the next few weeks via the 50 graft test. I'm pretty sure that if you do 5 HST's in a row, you'll start to see difference in your donor area. That's why I think it's best to plan it in such a way that you'll maximum need 3-4 HST's. I still think in a 8-10 year timeframe before a REAL cure is available and has been thoroughly tested not to be dangerous/cancerous. So my plan is to bridge 8-10 years with maximum of 4 HST's. But like said, hopefully we'll know more about the true effectivity of HST soon and we can make a better plan.

Arashi, do you think in theory (and in practice) Gho can restore a full head of hair in stages? Would the density be somewhat (noticeably) less than normal hair and could he create a NW1 hair line?

[Arashi]

Arashi, do you think in theory (and in practice) Gho can restore a full head of hair in stages? Would the density be somewhat (noticeably) less than normal hair and could he create a NW1 hair line?

On the one hand, this mostly is a theoretical discussion since not a lot of people can and/or are willing to invest the insane amount of money to get that done. On the other hand, it's interesting to know of course, cause it tells us a lot about the effectiveness of the procedure. Actually I've been emailing back and forth with Kristel about this. She already hinted in her last email that this could NOT be done without creating a visible difference in the donor area, in SOME cases. Of course I wanted to learn more about it so I'm still emailing back and forth and will post here once I've gotten all my questions answered. And in addition to that, the 50 graft test should yield important answers too.

But in the mean while, if you're planning to have a maximum of 4 HST's done, you should be perfectly fine. I'm still assuming we have an alternative within 3-5 year (like Histogen or Aderans) and a final cure within 8-10 years. And who knows what Dr Nigams comes up with He sure seems to be very serious about this, he sure is knowledgeable and together with research results from others, like Jahoda and the advantage of being able to test on humans, he might just find something way sooner !

[Californication]

Arashi if you don't mind, how old were you when you got your first transplant, what NW were you, what NW were you headed to in your opinion (how aggressive was your loss), were you taking meds before (had you stabilized the loss) or after the HT?

As a young guy who hasn't stabilized the loss and is bound for eventual NW6/7 (in which case I'll just shave my head), I do like your bridge plan in the absence of anything better.

And feel free to message me this info, I'm not trying to hijack the thread, just couldn't figure how out to message you.

[garethbale]

On the one hand, this mostly is a theoretical discussion since not a lot of people can and/or are willing to invest the insane amount of money to get that done. On the other hand, it's interesting to know of course, cause it tells us a lot about the effectiveness of the procedure. Actually I've been emailing back and forth with Kristel about this. She already hinted in her last email that this could NOT be done without creating a visible difference in the donor area, in SOME cases. Of course I wanted to learn more about it so I'm still emailing back and forth and will post here once I've gotten all my questions answered. And in addition to that, the 50 graft test should yield important answers too.

But in the mean while, if you're planning to have a maximum of 4 HST's done, you should be perfectly fine. I'm still assuming we have an alternative within 3-5 year (like Histogen or Aderans) and a final cure within 8-10 years. And who knows what Dr Nigams comes up with He sure seems to be very serious about this, he sure is knowledgeable and together with research results from others, like Jahoda and the advantage of being able to test on humans, he might just find something way sooner !

Thanks for your response, that's helpful.

I do imagine that recreating a NW1 with no visible donor loss and thick density seems a bit far fetched. As good as Gho is at regeneration even this is asking a lot. My situation is that I have been receding for around 10 years but still have all my crown hair and only temple / hairline loss, so I guess I'm quite lucky.

I was thinking of getting HST done on my areas of loss but I do think I will sit tight a while longer. I'm hoping that new treatments are in the pipeline and I've no idea how quickly my loss will progress (despite its slow progress thus far) That said, I quite like your idea of having HST now and seeing what come out. I guess its a it of a risk but there is a decent chance better treatments will com out at least, if not a full 'cure'

[Arashi]

Arashi if you don't mind, how old were you when you got your first transplant, what NW were you, what NW were you headed to in your opinion (how aggressive was your loss), were you taking meds before (had you stabilized the loss) or after the HT?

As a young guy who hasn't stabilized the loss and is bound for eventual NW6/7 (in which case I'll just shave my head), I do like your bridge plan in the absence of anything better.

And feel free to message me this info, I'm not trying to hijack the thread, just couldn't figure how out to message you.

I'm in my late 30's, had my first HST done last year. In hindsight I wish I had done it a few years earlier, in my early 30's. I'm not on any medication and am planning to stay far away from Fin and Minox (though RU and CB are tempting). My hairloss luckily has always been quite slow. But it has been steady, up to the point where I was about NW3.

[clandestine]

Arashi, do you think in theory (and in practice) Gho can restore a full head of hair in stages? Would the density be somewhat (noticeably) less than normal hair and could he create a NW1 hair line?

He would be speculating. We don't know yet.

[Arashi]

He would be speculating. We don't know yet.

Of course it's all speculation at this point. But like said, Kristel hinted that this might not be possible, at least not without visible impact on the donor area. Once I've got answers to the questions I've recently sent her, I'll update in the Gho section of this forum. Let's keep this thread to Nigams now .

[NotBelievingIt]

LMAO at these pictures.

Lighting + longer hair + comb-over = baldness cure!

Partayyy!!!

I was going to say the same thing if it hadn't been pointed out yet.

The very last picture looks like there *might* be more growth, but its a completely different hair style and the hair is longer.

When will you "Doctors" learn to take consistent god damn photographs? Seriously, its not that hard. If you have an actual product to sell you do your damndest to highlight its legitimacy, don't give us obvious attempts at coverups by using different lighting or hair styles or hair lengths or angles or whatever.

CONSISTENCY.

[young]

Dr. Nigam... Thank you for answering my questions.

Is your this treatment available now at your clinic in Mumbai? And are return visits part of the treatment?

Do you have any plans to have it available in the EU, and if so what time frame are you looking at?

And in simple terms... Is it just matter of a spending a couple of days in your clinic... The extraction, the injection, and then it's done?

[youngin]

I was going to say the same thing if it hadn't been pointed out yet.

The very last picture looks like there *might* be more growth, but its a completely different hair style and the hair is longer.

The lighting on the last few pictures seems quite consistent to me:


The crown has obviously grown thicker. Both photos are using flash.