Complete RU58841 Usage Guide

[burtandernie]

A lot of people used it, but its not in documented or in any kind of controlled way so its kind of useless like a bunch of personal testimonials.

[Swooping]

I think the LARGE number of people having used RU58841 over the years should be taken into account.

True imo. A Japanese company actually sold it too commercially they licensed it from Prostrakan and sold it as a over the counter solution in Japan (temporary). Also after the phase 2a trial they talked about an excellent pharmacological mechanism and no real safety issues.

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Sadly pharma companies only think of profit, they don't care about you. If they don't think they can make money of it, forget about it. Seeing how finasteride is a total failure for Merck looking at the annual reports and lawsuits. No wonder nobody picked RU up. Remember when phase 2A was done that was in 2005 i think, the patent life was only 7 more years. Who would be so stupid to pick that up looking at it from a business perspective . If there were real safety issues they would never also try to even search for partnering discussions. They already talk about the market being "modest". Btw they wanted to sell it as a OTC solution just as minoxidil.

[Paul73]

A lot of people used it, but its not in documented or in any kind of controlled way so its kind of useless like a bunch of personal testimonials.

I agree. And we should also consider that people are using it for a short period of time. So it´s impossible to know if it brings cancer risk since tumors usually take several years to develop.

BTW, it´s irresponsable to believe that a LOT of testimonials from hair loss forums are enough to define the safety of a substance.

[wesleybelgium]

for years of use , doing blood test 2 x year for cancer or tumor levels

I m using for couple years, along with dutas minox and dermarolling. Doing full blood checkup at my local hospital in Belgium twice a year for vital organs chackup and cancer screening. We are blessed to pay only 16 euro for such test because of insurance, so far so good all test shows normal values. you can ask your doctor for full checkup



Ru is my life saver, it maintain my hair while on anabolic steroids, and thicken up existing hairs , less sides then all anti androgens i tried.

Only sides I notice is dry scalp. i wil make topic with my log .



wesley

[Paul73]

I m using for couple years, along with dutas minox and dermarolling. Doing full blood checkup at my local hospital in Belgium twice a year for vital organs chackup and cancer screening. We are blessed to pay only 16 euro for such test because of insurance, so far so good all test shows normal values. you can ask your doctor for full checkup



Ru is my life saver, it maintain my hair while on anabolic steroids, and thicken up existing hairs , less sides then all anti androgens i tried.

Only sides I notice is dry scalp. i wil make topic with my log .



wesley

Hi Wesley,

Maybe you can check if there is systemic absorption from RU, but
there are no tests to check if RU is putting you in the risk zone of getting cancer.

I'm sorry to say this but the tests you are doing simply don't tell you if RU is developing a tumor.

There's no way to check that.

[robodoc]

Oh wait get this. I found the message now. Back when Kane first sent people his KB he sent the ingredients to my friend and sent him polysorbate 80 instead of the luviquat FC 550. lol the guy will throw together whatever sketchy stuff he can to sell to his followers begging him to produce X,Y, or Z. He cares nothing about actually getting it right. This is likely why you experienced wired results with him as who the hell knows what your vehicle really was. Could have had DMSO in it for all we know.

Don't knock Kane. I have had nothing but good service, great prices and a quality product. His RU works for me. Sketchy stuff? I doubt it.

[Swooping]

Anyone have a good source for a dropper? My dropper broke it came with a polaris labs product but was really good (glass). I hate to apply it with the shitty droppers minoxidil kirkland gives.

[robodoc]

How can you highly recommend a substance that has not been tested on humans? How can you be sure that in the long run it will not cause cancer? And who says that the company has not abandoned the project precisely because of this risk?

The truth is that many people are using RU without thinking about the serious consequences. People have used it recently and did not realize that in a few years unpleasant things may start to emerge.

I hope they rethink whether it's worth it to risk in this way.

Let me add to the RU argument. First I will say I use RU and it works. There are some obvious sexual side effects. Long term effects I do not know. I do know this, if RU was safe it would have gone to market. Isn't that a no brainer?

I will use it at some risk for a time or a bridge to finding something safer to use. Cancer? Who knows but we do know there were obvious side effects for it NOT to used on humans. Beware. I am in complete agreement with Paul that is ridiculous to think the side effects can not be serious.

[wesleybelgium]

I have great results with Ru. Will use it until true cure comes out. blood tests show all perfect! I'm very happy. will post topic soon with pictures .

Wesley

[Paul73]

I have great results with Ru. Will use it until true cure comes out. blood tests show all perfect! I'm very happy. will post topic soon with pictures .

Wesley

Good to know that you are getting results. But again: blood tests don't tell you if RU is developing something really serious.

There aren't tests to check this possibility. Nobody knows what can happen after 5+ years on this substance.

[Swooping]

Good to know that you are getting results. But again: blood tests don't tell you if RU is developing something really serious.

There aren't tests to check this possibility. Nobody knows what can happen after 5+ years on this substance.

Then stay away from this topic mate, no need for your scare mongering. There are 1000's of people using RU with great success. It is even commercially available in indonesia @ 2% solution. Nobody forces you to use it, simple as that.. Just go with finasteride or dutasteride if you don't like experimentals, options enough.

[wesleybelgium]

yes but every 6 months checking levels of sign of cancergrow still could warn you that something is wrong

it seems that you have evidence that ru is bad for us , can you tell us what you know ?
for me all seems good

i think that using any meds at all for 10 years and beyond could give consiquenses but herbals can do this also ( higer doses then nature provides )

i think that every meds give risks in long term use... ( even if its only 0,1 % )

[bradpitthair]

Let me add to the RU argument. First I will say I use RU and it works. There are some obvious sexual side effects. Long term effects I do not know. I do know this, if RU was safe it would have gone to market. Isn't that a no brainer?

I will use it at some risk for a time or a bridge to finding something safer to use. Cancer? Who knows but we do know there were obvious side effects for it NOT to used on humans. Beware. I am in complete agreement with Paul that is ridiculous to think the side effects can not be serious.

There are tons of drugs with alot of side effects (i.e. Accutane) and they have gone to market. Safety is not an indicator. Revenue is. RU was available for licensing by ProStrakan. But when it was acquired by another pharmaceutical, they didn't want to acquire the PSK3841 licensing along with it (hair loss drugs were probably not their likely focus).

[Paul73]

Then stay away from this topic mate, no need for your scare mongering. There are 1000's of people using RU with great success. It is even commercially available in indonesia @ 2% solution. Nobody forces you to use it, simple as that.. Just go with finasteride or dutasteride if you don't like experimentals, options enough.

I was just trying to tell Wesley that there is no way to verify if RU can develop a cancer in the long run.

Of course nobody forces me to use it, but at the same time i don´t think prudent that RU users recommend for every guy desperate for a solution.

As I said earlier, I intended to use RU. But after searching a lot I found many warnings about the possibility of serious damage in the long run. Even the memorable poster Bryan Shelton made important coments regarding RU safety. You will find his posts at HLH forums.

And the most serious indicator that there is something wrong: the fact that the company abandoned the project is very suspicious. Do you really think that it was a money issue? Of course not! They woudn´t be stupid at that point. They abandoned it because something related to safety was found.

Maybe I should stay away from this topic not because you asked me to do it. But because it surprises me to see people recommending RU to everyone without considering the risks in the long run. Cancer is one of them since we don´t know what this substance can do after many years.

BTW, the fact that it is commercially available in indonesia means nothing in terms of security, you certainly know that, no?

[Dan26]

@Paul77

Lets be honest man, if we could go back in time to before finasteride was approved by the FDA you would have thousands of people taking the chance to save their follicles.

In fact, the poster boy of BTT, Spencer Kobren, did this!

Some people don't respond well or have sides with the traditional medications, so they seek alternatives. That is why they are exprimental.

We really don't have any reason to believe RU will be harmful long term. Nor did we have any reason to beleive fin could be even after it was approved but before longterm studies were done on it.

I'm not sure if you are fear mongering or trying to convince yourself you made a good decision in not trying this experimental :S

If you see people spreading misinformation then definitely jump in and say something but otherwise I don't see your point here.