Hellouser's RU Log (with Minox, CB Nizoral and Saw Palmetto)

[doke]

Many of you have seen me post and boast about RU and many of you have also inquired about my progress... well, here is my log.

I noticed my hair going bad.. I mean really bad back in around March of 2011. I didn't notice it thin out or anything, but rather my hair line go waaaay back than what it used to be. I noticed this after I was at a club with friends and had some pictures of myself taken. The lighting on my face was rather harsh and it exposed a lot of scalp behind the hairline which made the hairline look higher than it actually is. This is where my life started going downhill..... its when I realized I looked ****ing weird and it was my hair. By this time I was already an NW2-3, but I never really took much notice into my hairline.. I didn't care about it before, I thought I looked normal (I mean I still do, but society is full of shithead assholes so no, by their standards I dont look normal).

February, 2011 - Before Regimen
So I started reading about things that can be done. I learned about Saw Palmetto, Nizoral, Finasteride, hair transplants and Replicel. I read about Finasteride castrating men and giving many side effects and it was a complete write off. It still is and its a dangerous drug which no man should take. I'm not saying I'd take it away from those who are already on it with results, but Finasteride is pure bullshit. My first line of defense? Saw Palmetto, and even with that I was hesitant as I ready about mild effects. But the bad breathe issue was the worst problem. It subsided eventually though.

Here's what my hair looked like then (these are from a club, so apologies for the crappy quality). Mind you, I used to use a good but 'wet' product called Bedhead by Tigi. This makes hair look quite thin as it climps hair real close together, hence it looking thin below.







So here's where I start fighting this disease that nobody cares about;

April, 2011
I start taking saw palmetto. Did my research, relatively small sides if any, much safer than finasteride, 1 pill a day (eventually moved up to 2 pills a day, 160mg each). Also started using Nizoral.

June, 2011
I start taking Kirkland's Minoxidil 2%, twice a day. I suppose in the pics below I shed a bit however I don't remember freaking out about hairs in the tub or on my pillow.





October, 2011
Ordered 5grams of RU from Ontario Chemicals and start using in 1ml application of 0.7ml isopropyl (wrong vehicle) and 0.3ml of PG. Concentration of RU was probably about 10mg. USELESS. At this dosage, almost impossible to get side effects more so since I was using isopropyl.
RU is now applied once daily, Minoxidil once daily as well.

March, 2012
In the picture below I am 5 months into using 1ml of RU with about 1-2% concentration (10-20mg) with about 1ml of Minoxidil at 2%. I should mention that while I'm on this regimen, I often used only 0.5ml total per day which all went into my hairline. The rest of my pathetic head I battled with Minox.



September, 2012
Ran out of 5g of RU (yeah, after 11 months). Order 10g of RU from Ontario Chemicals again, still using Isopropyl but upped the dosage of RU to 5% concentration per 1ml (so 50mg per 1ml) and used once daily. Still on Minoxidil 2% once daily, still on Saw Palmetto and Nizoral.

No further loss, no shedding still but no regrowth either.

October, 2012
Below we can see I've had regrowth!





December, 2012
Ran out of 2% Minoxidil from Kirklands, changed it to Kirklands 5%.

MASSIVE SHEDDING (therefor, major loss in density).

Hair got thinner immediately in the following weeks.
Still on RU at 5% in 1ml, Saw Palmetto and Nizoral.

January, 2013
Below is a photo of my hair RIGHT after a lot of Minox was applied all over and we see a drastic change for the worse. The shedding from the switch to Minoxidil at 5% is evident and things look terrible. Mind you in the photos below I am using between 1.5-2ml of Minoxidil and these pictures are IMMEDIATELY after application hence my hair looks wet and thin.





February 6th, 2013
Photos below show whats going on:



February 15th, 2013
STILL SHEDDING and most likely due to going from 2% to 5% minoxidil. Shedding is common and usually a sign of efficacy. Ran out of RU, got 10g again of RU, but also purchased Everclear to fix the vehicle. Upped the dosage of RU to about 100mg per 1ml (thus 10% solution) once daily.



Below it is very VERY clear I've lost a lot of density.




March, 2013
Shedding slowing down significantly. No regrowth yet however small hairs have shown up around the hairline.

April 19th, 2013
Havent had a haircut since January/February so hair is quite long. Still shedding. But: LOTS of new hairs have sprouted around the hairline and the small hairs at hairline visible 1 month prior are now longer, but only visible when seen up close. I hope the same holds true for the vertex and crown to hold onto my hair until Aderans/Histogen is out.





April 20th, 2013
Day of haircut! Behold! Density is back!





Currently:
Today is May 1st, and I recently added CB once daily at 1% (1-1.5ml) thus the new regimen is now:

100mg RU in 1ml, once daily
10-15mg CB in 1ml or 1.5ml, once daily
Minoxidil 5% at about 1.5ml, once daily
Saw Palmetto (320mg - 550mg daily, depending on available pills)
Nizoral 2%

I'm also using some shampoos with Saw Palmetto and am planning on acquiring MiN New York hair products (a clay which contains saw palmetto and azelaic acid, probably useless but better than nothing).

I've also noticed THICK and DARK terminal hairs show up at the hairline! These are hairs I dont remember seeing from a while back and potentially havent been around in years! There aren't many, maybe about 20, but its a clear sign things are working.

Future treatment:

I recently acquired Lubrajel, the same vehicle used in the study for BNP-32 as a topical treatment for hair loss. You can read about this peptide here or my general summary here

I have quite a bit of cash saved up for a surgical treatment for Dr. Gho, but if the guys from other forums already experimenting with BNP-32 get results, I will be buying some BNP-32 myself and using my lubrajel to regrow the temples and entire scalp. If that fails, its Gho time (or someone else that can offer regeneration).

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I do want to say though that the last two years of my life have EASILY been the most depressing, most angry, most lacking. I'm trying to wait very patiently for a treatment from Histogen and Aderans.

If anyone is curious about how effective is CB? I don't know yet, its too soon to tell.

As for side effects? None from RU as far as I can tell. No brain fog, no limp-finasteride-dick however I have experienced many drops in Libido from Saw Palmetto. Whats weird is that sometimes my libido is RAGING high and I'll be getting random stiffies at work too. Though I suppose the reduced libido could also be due to physical inactivity and general depression.

I hope this helps. I'll post more in the future.

Also, if anyone wants to know how to acquire, mix, apply, etc RU, I've made a complete guide here; http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?p=120497

hi hell many thanks for this post i only just found it and holy cow there is a massive improvement have you tried spironolactone 5% cream? and im now wondering whether to reuse my 5% mpb treatments ru plus with 5% minox not sure if i can afford cb as well.
If i could get back what you have done i would be very happy to what i have now although im a lot older than you hell.
This shedding you went through looks the same as irishpride had but turned it around like you,if we have to keep going through major sheds it will suck.
Do you think you have the right combo now hell?

[lilpauly]

Guys we do not know a vehicle for cb! Wrong approach

[lilpauly]

Also: um, why is Kane's website down? That's slightly disconcerting.

An upgrade . It will be back up.

[nliyan25]

RU shedding increase

I think I'm losing more hair now on RU, maybe this was bound to happen after using it for more than 2 weeks now. I'm losing maybe 70 hairs per day as of today, after losing about 30 or 40 pieces a day for a week or so. That's still a lot less than when I was using Minoxidil twice per day. In fact, I stopped using Minoxidil since I'm not convinced it ever did anything for me, even when I was using it for 6 months straight, twice a day. All I noticed was a lot of shedding that never stopped with no gains.

[win200]

Also: um, why is Kane's website down? That's slightly disconcerting.

[win200]

Just got my CB from Kane. Ordered 1g--such a tiny package, hard to believe that's good for a few months. Now I just have to get ahold of some PG to much with ethanol to use as a vehicle.

[The Dark Knight]

What bank do you have, every bank does it a little different. Essentially you login to your bank website and go to transfer funds, there should be a submenu with "wire transfer" option. There you will need to provide all of Kane's info, which he gives you when you're about to complete your order, during payment option. You then select the amount you want to transfer and in a day, it should transfer.

Thanks! Just finished paying, it was a bit of a hassle but hopefully worth it in the end

[DesperateOne]

Anyone?

What bank do you have, every bank does it a little different. Essentially you login to your bank website and go to transfer funds, there should be a submenu with "wire transfer" option. There you will need to provide all of Kane's info, which he gives you when you're about to complete your order, during payment option. You then select the amount you want to transfer and in a day, it should transfer.

[The Dark Knight]

Sorry for asking this here but how do I pay Kane? How does Western Union or Bank Wire Transfer work?

Anyone?

[HARIRI]

Guys, I got great news. The CB pre mixed formula is already available for real at Iron Dragon. They sent me an Email stating that its already shipped!

Iron Dragon Research Peptides and Chemicals
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Date Ordered: Sunday 25 August, 2013

The comments for your order are

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Please reply to this email if you have any questions.

[hellouser]

Wow, that is a lot of SP. I can understand how that could cause the effect when combined.

I take it you are not on that amount any longer. I would bring back in RU like to said at a low dose and ease back in. My guess is you won't have libido issues this way. Or you can throttle back to the point where you don't.

Not sure about derma-rolling with RU. I think RU is relatively safe below 100mg based on what I have read, but if you open up your blood stream to RU I think you are going into uncharted territory. Not sure it is necessary with the right vehicle. Particularly since you know you already had success.

160-320mg of Saw Palmetto really isnt much. Its a very weak AA.

One other member needs some RU as well who also lives in Toronto, theres a chance we're going to split the cost of a 10g order.

[marikeo]

I wasn't side free, my libido was definitely down. Keep in mind I was on 160-320mg of Saw Palmetto per day which may have been the cause of it. I am contemplating getting back on it at 20-50mg/day, 3-4x a week (after dermarolling).

Wow, that is a lot of SP. I can understand how that could cause the effect when combined.

I take it you are not on that amount any longer. I would bring back in RU like to said at a low dose and ease back in. My guess is you won't have libido issues this way. Or you can throttle back to the point where you don't.

Not sure about derma-rolling with RU. I think RU is relatively safe below 100mg based on what I have read, but if you open up your blood stream to RU I think you are going into uncharted territory. Not sure it is necessary with the right vehicle. Particularly since you know you already had success.

[hellouser]

I really cannot understand why you are off of RU if you had success and no sides. I have to think that all your time and effort spent is worth the $300 you need to pay to get RU from Kane. Worst case, you would only need to use until you know for certain there is a viable alternative (which you have not found yet).

I know $100/month (assuming 100/mg) sounds like a lot but is it really if you had such success? $25 bucks a week or $6 a day. I would think that price to keep/grow your hair back is a steal.

I wasn't side free, my libido was definitely down. Keep in mind I was on 160-320mg of Saw Palmetto per day which may have been the cause of it. I am contemplating getting back on it at 20-50mg/day, 3-4x a week (after dermarolling).

[marikeo]

Was actually in LESS than four months. I was shedding between December - February, got on RU @ 100mg/1ml and started to regain density from March - May. Then quit RU in May as well. Started shedding again in July ....

I really cannot understand why you are off of RU if you had success and no sides. I have to think that all your time and effort spent is worth the $300 you need to pay to get RU from Kane. Worst case, you would only need to use until you know for certain there is a viable alternative (which you have not found yet).

I know $100/month (assuming 100/mg) sounds like a lot but is it really if you had such success? $25 bucks a week or $6 a day. I would think that price to keep/grow your hair back is a steal.

[hellouser]

hellouser, did you ever use fin ? If yes, did you get any results ? I'm interested in starting RU or CB, after loosing most of my hair while on the Big 3. How likely is it to respond to a topical anti-androgen if you did not respond to a systemic...

Never used Fin. Would rather see Merck go completely bankrupt.