A case of NW7 for in-vivo Doubling / HM / DP - Day 1 @ Dr. Nigam's

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  • Arashi
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2012
    • 3888

    #16
    Originally posted by clandestine
    Baby steps.
    Hehe. This is hilarious

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    • drnigams
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2012
      • 551

      #17
      Sure ironman tomorrow.
      Originally posted by 534623
      Oh, really?

      Can you please show us a photo of these partial follicular units which you extracted with a 0.6 mm hollow needle?

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      • drnigams
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2012
        • 551

        #18
        Date correction 1) 2pics show day 3 it should be day1 2)day 0 was 10th april and day 1 is today 11th april
        Green dots show donor regen on day1 as we do not go deep but only 1mm to loosen the graft and than pluck the parial graft.
        more Pre op pics ,i will post tmr as we just finished today's procedure
        I know we need to count the donor extractions,recipient incisions,singles /doubles.
        Don't worry arashi..wait for tmr pics ...you are not the only person on forum ,so that i cannot post few pics tonight and rest day1 pics tmr.

        Originally posted by Arashi
        I'm confused. Why does it say day 3 in the thumbnails ? And what do the green dots depict ? And how is this patient a NW7 ? Seems like a NW3 to me ?

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        • drnigams
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2012
          • 551

          #19
          clandestine,
          will post preop macro and videomicroscopic pis tmr..just finished his today's procedure ..was getting late for staff.
          Originally posted by clandestine
          This is the most important comment in this thread so far.

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          • drnigams
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2012
            • 551

            #20
            Arashi,
            i know you are frustrated after the 200graft test on your demand..just read that thread.
            1)500donor extraction marks singles/doubles/triples and claiming 200 graft donor extraction test.500 drills for 200 extraction..wow
            2)no longitudnal bisection of a follicle
            3)funny claim of telogen follicles
            4)huge number of transected follicles
            5) wastage of 50 grafts
            6)where did the effect of preservation medium for follicular multiplication dissappeared.
            7)where were stemcells extracted or atomized and implanted.
            8)Extraction of grafts with bulb like normal FUE..the partial FUE and you claim stemcell hair transplant.
            you have lost all my credibilty...i am not going anywhere....watch for the space...all cases of mine are not test patch with 100% documentation...do your markings and document yourself.
            When i do patch test ..i will inform and do the documentation ..like the 15 graft test.

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            • The Alchemist
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2011
              • 261

              #21
              Arashi, you're one of the better posters on here, but, i think you've over reacted a bit in this case. This guy is not a NW7. But he is well beyond a NW3; he is very, very thin. If Dr. Nigam is able to do as he says and implant that many grafts in the recipient, then it will be blatantly obvious.

              What we need to do is keep track of the case and make sure to demand to see the results in 6 months.

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              • Arashi
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2012
                • 3888

                #22
                Originally posted by The Alchemist
                Arashi, you're one of the better posters on here, but, i think you've over reacted a bit in this case. This guy is not a NW7. But he is well beyond a NW3; he is very, very thin. If Dr. Nigam is able to do as he says and implant that many grafts in the recipient, then it will be blatantly obvious.

                What we need to do is keep track of the case and make sure to demand to see the results in 6 months.
                Maybe you could call him a NW4. But he's nowhere a NW7. And that 'error' with the dates is just extremely "weird" at least. Like why would he even write Day 3 ? And now he says he did the procedure yesterday ...

                Anyway, for everybody still interested in this thread, I'd ask for pre-op pictures, cause without them this thing is as worthless as the current HASCI 200 graft test unfortunately

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                • Arashi
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 3888

                  #23
                  Originally posted by drnigams
                  Arashi,
                  i know you are frustrated after the 200graft test on your demand
                  For sure. Sad thing to see they didn't have a good photographer. Hopefully the test can be repeated with one.

                  1)500donor extraction marks singles/doubles/triples and claiming 200 graft donor extraction test.500 drills for 200 extraction..wow
                  LOL. Yeah if you maybe place random 200 extra circles in the picture. You're pretty good at that anyway.

                  2)no longitudnal bisection of a follicle
                  ?
                  3)funny claim of telogen follicles
                  What claim ?
                  4)huge number of transected follicles
                  ?? I assume you mean hairs ? You do know the difference, right ?
                  5) wastage of 50 grafts
                  ? Only 3 grafts got wasted, out of the 203, and this was only because James wanted to have them placed into his scar.
                  6)where did the effect of preservation medium for follicular multiplication dissappeared.
                  What ?

                  7)where were stemcells extracted or atomized and implanted.
                  LOL. You expect to see stemcells on the photos ?

                  8)Extraction of grafts with bulb like normal FUE..the partial FUE and you claim stemcell hair transplant.
                  ?

                  you have lost all my credibilty...
                  LOL. Man I surely hate that.

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                  • drnigams
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2012
                    • 551

                    #24
                    DIDI,
                    we have just plucked follicles after loosening with the hollow needle ,did not go deep into dermis just 1mm deep into dermis.
                    He has a very poor donor and thin hair.to get 12000grafts ..as an ambition ,we will extract all the follicles from the donor,as we know there will be 100% regeneration of donor,and we will have to keep repeating the procedure after few months ..or else where will i get the 1000plus grafts.
                    you will shortly see the complete donor regen.

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                    • The Alchemist
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 261

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Arashi
                      Maybe you could call him a NW4. But he's nowhere a NW7. And that 'error' with the dates is just extremely "weird" at least. Like why would he even write Day 3 ? And now he says he did the procedure yesterday ...
                      I agree with you there, the day 3 thing is very troubling. But, what exactly would he gain by calling it day 3 as opposed to day 1? The extraction sites are still there - they'll either grow hair or they wont. Day 1 vs Day 3 doesn't seem to make much difference in the longer view.

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                      • didi
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 1360

                        #26
                        Dr nigam

                        Can your technique extract 3 and 4 hair grafts since you use small needle, I think it is same size as one Gho uses .. Gho needle cant extract anything above 2 hair follicles

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                        • Arashi
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2012
                          • 3888

                          #27
                          Originally posted by The Alchemist
                          I agree with you there, the day 3 thing is very troubling. But, what exactly would he gain by calling it day 3 as opposed to day 1? The extraction sites are still there - they'll either grow hair or they wont. Day 1 vs Day 3 doesn't seem to make much difference in the longer view.
                          I think he just copied and pasted some stuff out of his library documentation. I doubt he even saw this patient today or yesterday.

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                          • Arashi
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2012
                            • 3888

                            #28
                            Isn't it weird anyway, this doctor doing all those cases and documentation and then all this time on these forums. You'd say he doesn't sleep much

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                            • Arashi
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 3888

                              #29
                              Originally posted by didi
                              Dr nigam

                              Can your technique extract 3 and 4 hair grafts since you use small needle, I think it is same size as one Gho uses .. Gho needle cant extract anything above 2 hair follicles
                              Sure. Dr Nigams can just extract 10 hairs at the same time with a needle half as small as HASCI is using.

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                              • aim4hair
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2011
                                • 437

                                #30
                                Dr. Nigam,
                                Just a quick question, why would you call this patient a nw7 ?
                                To be honest the way i see it is either you don't know about norwood levels or you were just lying

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