How does Dr. Wesley's Scarless Pilofocus work?

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  • 534623
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2011
    • 1854

    Originally posted by 534623

    So let’s use YOUR brains and common sense and explain how can you extract/remove such grafts …


    …without leaving any scarring beneath the skin?
    And I have an additional question ...

    "The current relatively-invasive surgical approaches are also accompanied by a 4.7% complication rate, which include: enlarged scars, necrosis (dead tissue) in the donor area, hematomas, prolonged nerve hypersensitivity, and infection."

    ... because I have the following problem with tissue removal beneath the skin:

    Surgical anatomy
    "The five layers of the scalp, from superficial to deep, can be easily memorized by using the mnemonic SCALP. The Skin of the scalp is the thickest of the human body [increases in thickness from the frontal to the occipital region], measuring up to 8 mm in thickness and contains approximately 100.000 hairs.
    Hair lines make scalp reconstruction difficult because the hair lines have to be respected to get a satisfying aesthetic result.[3] The subCutis is a layer of fat, enclosed in compartments formed by rigid fibrous septa. Their inelasticy prevents bleeding vessels to collapse and retract under the skin to achieve haemostasis. All large blood vessels and nerves of the scalp are located in this layer.[4] The next layer [below the subCutis] is the galea Aponeurotica, which separates the underlying bone and the overlying layers. The large blood vessels and nerves of the scalp don’t pierce this layer.[3] Loose connective tissue between the periostium and the aponeurosis makes these two rigid structures easily slide over each other and contributes to skin movement. Thus, if vascular and nervous anatomy is respected, the skin, subcutaneous tissue and galea aponeurotica can be lifted off the skull with minimal bleeding, nerve damage, or chance of necrosis. This method was first described by Orticochea in 1967, but has been updated to minimize scarring.[5] The fifth layer is the Periosteum of the skull, also referred to as pericranium. It can be separated from the skull, except near the sutures. The skull consists of an inner and outer table, with spongy bone in between known as diploë."


    That means, even if "subcutaneous tissue and galea aponeurotica can be lifted off the skull with minimal bleeding" (to get the "visual cavity" for the tools enlarged by techniques like "humidified insufflation, external traction, or balloon expansion") - you must always CUT (or drill) through all large blood vessels and nerves which are located above these layers - in the subCutis, to get the grafts.

    That would mean (besides damaging large blood vessels and nerves), that grafts would have lots of tissue attached beneath the follicle bulbs - which adds absolutely nothing for hair growth in the recipient area.

    But that's actually not what Dr. Wesley describes in his patent (lifting off the skull the subcutaneous tissue and galea aponeurotica layer to prevent damage to the vessels and nerves) ...

    This is what he describes ...
    "20. The system of claim 14, wherein the extraction module is configured to subcutaneously extract a hair follicle."

    ... namely, movements of the tools as well as extraction of hair follicles straight within and through the large blood vessels and nerves containing subCutis layer! And doing this, can cause:

    - enlarged scars,
    - necrosis (dead tissue) in the donor area,
    - hematomas,
    - prolonged nerve hypersensitivity,
    - and infection.

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    • Artista
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 2070

      Interested in finding out?
      Dr Wesley's words-
      "I applied for a formal presentation to my fellow physicians at this October's ISHRS Conference in San Francisco, CA. Hope to meet a few of you there!"__________________
      Carlos Wesley, MD

      If its possible, i will be there!!
      Winston,,hopefully your still keeping an eye on this thread

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      • 534623
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2011
        • 1854

        Originally posted by Artista
        Interested in finding out?
        Dr Wesley's words-
        "I applied for a formal presentation to my fellow physicians at this October's ISHRS Conference in San Francisco, CA. Hope to meet a few of you there!"__________________
        Carlos Wesley, MD
        And that's exactly the reason, why I try to discuss everything IN ADVANCE what's already known about this NOVEL technique.

        To address some concerns IN ADVANCE - I don't think this is a bad thing.

        "Criticism is healthy!"

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        • UK Boy
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2011
          • 240

          I never said anything about Dr. Wesley's approach being ineffective, I said it was innovative but it's not for me and I think to call it scarless is a falsity. Just because the scarring is all nicely hidden away does not make it scarless and does not make it applicable to my situation in the way I hoped it would. I also personally find the idea of someone poking around under my scalp far more invasive than minimal depth FUE like HST/HSI. I don't nerd to wait to hear more info from Dr. Wesley, I know enough from the patent to know that I find the concept scary and not something I'd be inclined to do.

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          • Artista
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2010
            • 2070

            Spencer,admins, fellow members,
            I want to tell you all that , today, Dr Wesley and I have had a great private conversation this morning!
            I would like to publicly state that i am in total AGREEMENT with Spencer Kobren's explanation,his impressions and his analysis of what Dr Wesley's upcoming new procedure will provide to us all.
            Dr Wesley was VERY gracious to include me into that same power point presentation of his 'scar-less' technique as he had with Spencer.
            I promised Dr Wesley that I would not talk about the specifics but he did allow me to let you all know of our discussion and how i have been completely and truly IMPRESSED. This WILL BE a 'Game Changer' my friends. There is no doubt in my mind of that.
            When you all see the public presentation you too will be impressed, excited and happy!!
            Thank you Dr Wesley for talking with me, for being so innovative in your research and for all the time spent on refining your instrumentation and technique!! (its on-going)

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            • TO YOUNG TO RETIRE
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2013
              • 638

              at least something good thanks,

              Artista my friend , does this method give more of what? (scarless ok,yield?,density?,donour possibilities?)
              if ofcourse you can share any info like that,

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              • Artista
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2010
                • 2070

                Hello 'Young , I cannot be specific But I can say This new technique will potentially provide a high-yield and density to the recipient areas of your head comparable to FUT surgery! (Without the use of a strip ) And just to repeat what Spencer had said before, there IS anecdotal evidence to show the possibility of regenerative regrowth In the donor areas too!! I am well aware of why that is , I promise you! Don't let negative speculation rule your thought process on this. Dr. Wesley will make it all very clear to everyone in due time. I am extremely and sincerely excited my friends. Hang in there.. I am

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                • TO YOUNG TO RETIRE
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 638

                  we will ,, so that makes me choose to wait and if i am going to have ht to have this new one ofcourse

                  i feel positive

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                  • john2399
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 521

                    Im guessing you can't tell us the price range of the procedure right?

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                    • stayhopeful
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2013
                      • 280

                      Originally posted by Artista
                      Spencer,admins, fellow members,
                      I want to tell you all that , today, Dr Wesley and I have had a great private conversation this morning!
                      I would like to publicly state that i am in total AGREEMENT with Spencer Kobren's explanation,his impressions and his analysis of what Dr Wesley's upcoming new procedure will provide to us all.
                      Dr Wesley was VERY gracious to include me into that same power point presentation of his 'scar-less' technique as he had with Spencer.
                      I promised Dr Wesley that I would not talk about the specifics but he did allow me to let you all know of our discussion and how i have been completely and truly IMPRESSED. This WILL BE a 'Game Changer' my friends. There is no doubt in my mind of that.
                      When you all see the public presentation you too will be impressed, excited and happy!!
                      Thank you Dr Wesley for talking with me, for being so innovative in your research and for all the time spent on refining your instrumentation and technique!! (its on-going)
                      Artista,

                      I hope this is as great as you say because this is riling us all up and I hate to get my hopes let down.... As a 22 year old I am very curious how this procedure would benefit me because I refuse to take propecia or minox.... Something tells me that the combo of scarless FUE and histogen (pray they launch phase iii) will be effectively a cure for all of us to get back in the game and even the playing field with anyone out there.
                      Any word on when this will become commercially available? In the next 1-2 years or is it far off?

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                      • HARIRI
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2012
                        • 467

                        Great news Artista, Now that you know all the secrets of this technique, Is part of what 534623 saying in his last thread is right? "humidified insufflation, external traction, or balloon expansion" because honestly I WOULD NOT want to get any of these scary techniques...

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                        • Artista
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 2070

                          HARIRI, it was a special honor to be allowed to speak frankly with Dr Wesley. I am not at liberty to be specific but I can say this my friend, those concerns that you have would not be an issue regarding Dr Wesley's approach. I have no idea of the eventual cost guys. We will all find that out later on. Dr Wesley is truly passionate about this new technique of his and it shows in the results thus far. I'm very positive about this too

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                          • john2399
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 521

                            Originally posted by Artista
                            HARIRI, it was a special honor to be allowed to speak frankly with Dr Wesley. I am not at liberty to be specific but I can say this my friend, those concerns that you have would not be an issue regarding Dr Wesley's approach. I have no idea of the eventual cost guys. We will all find that out later on. Dr Wesley is truly passionate about this new technique of his and it shows in the results thus far. I'm very positive about this too
                            Did he say when we can get it done? 2013?

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                            • Artista
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 2070

                              Possibly later this year according to what Spencer had provided us. Keep in mind that Dr Wesley will be making his presentation at the October conference.

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                              • Artista
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2010
                                • 2070

                                To my true members here, remember what I said earlier today? "...Don't let negative speculation rule your thought process on this. Dr. Wesley will make it all very clear to everyone in due time". That was a FACTUAL statement of mine .

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