Hairmax lux 9 question, please help

[bruce42]

No they don't. If you feel it is a scam, don't buy it. It has helped me and several other women. I know it is not a scam but I also know that it does not work for everyone.

Investigator’s assessment at week 26 (Table IV; pg. 290)
_______________Hairmax__________Sham Device
_______________ n = 72_____________ n = 38
No growth______ 46 (63.9&#37_________ 22 (57.9%)
Minimal growth__ 18 (25.0%) _________10 (26.3%)
Moderate growth _7 (9.7%)___________ 5 (13.2%)
Dense growth ____1 (1.4%)___________ 1 (2.6%)

As you can see, the sham device had more growth %

[Tracy C]

Those are not the results of any of the studies Lexington submitted to the FDA.

Again, if you feel it is a scam don't buy it - but I am not going to stop using mine simply because you feel it is a scam.

[bruce42]

Those are not the results of any of the studies Lexington submitted to the FDA.

Again, if you feel it is a scam don't buy it - but I am not going to stop using mine simply because you feel it is a scam.

It's not about me feeling it's a scam or it working for you. It's about you suggesting there is scientific evidence that it works AND THERE IS NONE!

Here is what it says on Lexingtons's site:

The results of the key clinical study performed with the HairMax LaserComb which led to the original FDA clearance to market was published in the May 2009 Issue of Clinical Drug Investigation. The article entitled, HairMax LaserComb Phototherapy Device in the Treatment of Male Androgenetic Alopecia, is indexed as Clin Drug Invest 2009: 29 (5): 283-292 in most of the biomedical databases such as MEDLINE, EMBASE/Excerpta Medica, etc. The studies also showed that there were no serious adverse effects in any of the trial participants.

I took the above table IV pg. 290 from the following pdf file:

HairMax LaserComb Laser Phototherapy Device in the Treatment of Male Androgenetic Alopecia
A Randomized, Double-Blind, Sham Device-Controlled, Multicentre Trial
Matt Leavitt,1 Glenn Charles,2 Eugene Heyman3 and David Michaels4

Clin Drug Invest 2009; 29 (5): 283-292

If you say otherwise, I'm sorry you are either a liar or just plain ignorant. If it works for you, great continue being deluded, but don't suggest to others that there is a scientific study showing it works. IT DOES NOT. You have to actually read the article carefully and understand the statistical gymnastics they employ.

[Tracy C]

Bruce,

You can bark at me till you are blue in the face and pass out cold. You will never convince me that the laser comb does nothing. I will remind you that I use the laser comb myself and have used it since November of 2007. I have benefited from it, my sister has benefited from it and many other ladies have benefited from it. I would not waste my time using it if I did not benefit from using it. I have seen first hand that it does in fact improve the hair that you have. Prior to joining this forum, I had no idea that there was even a controversy over it at all.

Lexington has submitted multiple studies to gain FDA clearance. Those results you have typed up are not in any of the studies I read. More importantly, they are certainly not the results submitted to gain approval for treating women's hair loss. Obviously treating women's hair loss is much more important to me than treating men's hair loss. I have seen and spoken to too many women who have benefited from using the laser comb to be able to believe a single word you say against it. You are beating a dead horse.

[baldozer]

Bruce,

You can bark at me till you are blue in the face and pass out cold. You will never convince me that the laser comb does nothing. I will remind you that I use the laser comb myself and have used it since November of 2007. I have benefited from it, my sister has benefited from it and many other ladies have benefited from it. I would not waste my time using it if I did not benefit from using it. I have seen first hand that it does in fact improve the hair that you have. Prior to joining this forum, I had no idea that there was even a controversy over it at all.

Lexington has submitted multiple studies to gain FDA clearance. Those results you have typed up are not in any of the studies I read. More importantly, they are certainly not the results submitted to gain approval for treating women's hair loss. Obviously treating women's hair loss is much more important to me than treating men's hair loss. I have seen and spoken to too many women who have benefited from using the laser comb to be able to believe a single word you say against it. You are beating a dead horse.

Tracy, please tell me something that would grow hair on my NW7 bald head !

[Tracy C]

Tracy, please tell me something that would grow hair on my NW7 bald head !

Sorry. I wish I could but I can't. The best option to try to grow back some of the hair you have lost if you have lost that much is the big 3 and hair transplant surgery. Currently, there is no treatment that can give you all of your hair back. You may be able to get some of it back - but you cannot get all of it back.

[bruce42]

Bruce,

You can bark at me till you are blue in the face and pass out cold. You will never convince me that the laser comb does nothing. I will remind you that I use the laser comb myself and have used it since November of 2007. I have benefited from it, my sister has benefited from it and many other ladies have benefited from it. I would not waste my time using it if I did not benefit from using it. I have seen first hand that it does in fact improve the hair that you have. Prior to joining this forum, I had no idea that there was even a controversy over it at all.

Lexington has submitted multiple studies to gain FDA clearance. Those results you have typed up are not in any of the studies I read. More importantly, they are certainly not the results submitted to gain approval for treating women's hair loss. Obviously treating women's hair loss is much more important to me than treating men's hair loss. I have seen and spoken to too many women who have benefited from using the laser comb to be able to believe a single word you say against it. You are beating a dead horse.

It's not about convincing you, I am simply posting the facts. There is no evidence that Lasercomb does anything. That is the hard data. I have read all of Lexington's studies. But what boggles my mind is your obtuse comment on how what I posted is not in the studies YOU'VE read. This is impossible IF you have actually read the studies. I gave you the exact citation that Lexington used to gain FDA clearance. I have the pdf file. If you have read the studies then you too should have this file. Open the file and look at it. I simply copied and pasted the results from the study. IF you continue to contradict this, then there is something wrong with you.

This does not mean Lasers won't be proven to be useful in the future. They may be. But they have not as of yet, or at least I'm not aware of any such studies. If there are, please cite them. I cited mine.

[Tracy C]

You are beating a dead horse. It is pointless to keep beating a horse after it is already dead. I remind you once more. I actually use the laser comb. I have used mine for many years now. I actually know first hand what it does. I also know others who have benefited from using it. It does in fact improve the hair that you have.

Display all the text from all the studies Lexington submitted to the FDA. Don't leave anything out. Not a single word.

[bruce42]

You are beating a dead horse. It is pointless to keep beating a horse after it is already dead. I remind you once more. I actually use the laser comb. I have used mine for many years now. I actually know first hand what it does. I also know others who have benefited from using it. It does in fact improve the hair that you have.

Display all the text from all the studies Lexington submitted to the FDA. Don't leave anything out. Not a single word.

I'm not beating a dead horse, I'm simply displaying the facts as published by Lexington. Anecdotal evidence does not establish a fact. Where should I display it? It's a whole article.

[Tracy C]

Where should I display it? It's a whole article.

Display the entire text, word for word, of all the studies Lexington submitted to the FDA that lead to clearance. Not just the one you keep referring to, but all of them - and display the text here in this thread. Word for word - don't leave anything out.

[bruce42]

Display the entire text, word for word, of all the studies Lexington submitted to the FDA that lead to clearance. Not just the one you keep referring to, but all of them - and display the text here in this thread. Word for word - don't leave anything out.

It's not the one I keep referring to, it's the one that Lexington refers to on their website as being the one used for FDA clearance. They don't list others.

It's the only one that is peer reviewed and published in a real research journal: you can find in pubmed--->
HairMax LaserComb Laser Phototherapy Device in the Treatment of Male Androgenetic Alopecia
A Randomized, Double-Blind, Sham Device-Controlled, Multicentre Trial
Matt Leavitt,1 Glenn Charles,2 Eugene Heyman3 and David Michaels4

Clin Drug Invest 2009; 29 (5): 283-292

Anything else is meaningless if it's not peer reviewed since there will be no checks and balances on the numbers the company reports.

You do understand the concept of peer reviewed, right?

[powersam]

You can huff and puff all you want Tracy, until YOU start posting evidence you should shut your mouth and stop recommending a product that you have not yet posted any solid evidence in support of.

The use of low-level light for hair growth: part I.
Avram MR, Rogers NE.
Source

Cornell Department of Dermatology, New York, NY, USA. dochair@aol.com
Abstract
BACKGROUND AND OBJECTIVE:

Low-level laser therapy (LLLT) is a new therapy for the treatment of hair loss. It has received enormous media attention and tremendous marketing budgets from companies that sell the devices, but no independent, peer-reviewed studies have demonstrated its efficacy in this application. Here we investigate the efficacy of LLLT in enhancing hair growth.
METHODS:

A total of seven patients were exposed to LLLT twice weekly for 20 minutes each time over a period of 3-6 months. Five patients were treated for a total of 3 months and two were treated for 6 months. Videomicroscopic images were taken at baseline, 3 months, and 6 months, and analyzed for changes in vellus hair counts, terminal hair counts, and shaft diameter. Both videomicroscopic and global images underwent blinded review for evidence of subjective improvement. Patients also answered questionnaires assessing hair growth throughout the study. Neither patients nor physicians conducting the study received any financial compensation.
RESULTS:

The results indicate that on average patients had a decrease in the number of vellus hairs, an increase in the number of terminal hairs, and an increase in shaft diameter. However, paired i-testing indicated that none of these changes was statistically significant. Also, blinded evaluation of global images did not support an improvement in hair density or caliber.
CONCLUSIONS:

LLLT may be a promising treatment option for patients who do not respond to either finasteride or minoxidil, and who do not want to undergo hair transplantation. This technology appears to work better for some people than for others. Factors predicting who will most benefit are yet to be determined. Larger, longer-term placebo-controlled studies are needed to confirm these findings, and demonstrate statistical significance, or refute them altogether.

However, paired i-testing indicated that none of these changes was statistically significant. Also, blinded evaluation of global images did not support an improvement in hair density or caliber.

[powersam]

The data table from the study Hairmax references:

[bruce42]

The data table from the study Hairmax references:

Yeah, that's the exact table where I got my numbers from. I didn't bother posting the subjects' assessment numbers because they are way too subjective. The less biased investigators' assessment numbers are more objective and clearly show that there was more growth with a sham device, LOL

[lucrio]

I've used the laser comb per manufacturer instructions for almost a year now and I will say that it is it not completely useless. It has made my existing hair thicker and darker, giving the appearance of more density. I also believe it does exhibit some stimulating effect on existing hair as my hair seems to grow slightly faster, and it looks overall more healthy. Whether this is enough to actually buy the product is up to you.

I don't think it will do anything to regrow hair and it probably only slightly slows loss but it does help in appearance of existing hair. Those who say it does nothing are wrong, but it doesn't do a whole lot.