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the earlier the better, just take the precautions you're comfortable with and do something to help your hair.
Minoxidil, Fin, even Nizoral DO help 100% and are definitely worth getting on to at least some extent. Otherwise half of use would be far worse off by now, I'd be a NW4 by now without Minoxidil that I started a few years ago. I'm only about a NW3ish right now.Comment
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I don't think I could ever use minoxidil. Unless it was minoxidil sulphate combined with adenosine or I injected it. The results I believe I'd get from just normal rogaine would not be worth the trouble of putting on my head twice a day lol. I am tackling DHT systemically (wish I didn't have to put we don't really have much of a choice) and topically at the scalp, as well as inflammation. As far as growth stimulants/factors, I'll probably wait a while to see if I need 'em. Maintaining and thickening a little is my hope.
I agree though man the earlier the better, can't wait to just get started so it's off my mind a little more.Comment
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fair enough, plus Allergan(bimatoprost) is fairly close to release so that may be a good alternative growth factor down the line if you're not interested in Min.(not super close, but 2 years or so.)
The best anyway we can do right now is maintain or slightly thicken anyway, Min doesnt exactly do all that much, but at least we can do something now, couldnt say the same thing 15 years or so ago.Comment
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Ya, always look at the positives man! This shit should be cured by now, but at least we aren't experiencing this 5-10 years ago. I definitely believe injecting growth factors is the way to go in the future. Whether its allergan, histogen etc, or if there is other ways to get a hold of injectable growth factors. There's RU now, but when CB is on the market it will make things easier, and somethign to address PDG2 should be coming soon aswell. I'm optimistic about treating hairloss, just don't know how long such combination therapys will be able to keep hair for, and how expensive they will be. I want unlimited donor supply!Comment
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That's understandable. I def think the injections will also be a "chemical wig" as well though. I mean mpb is determined at the genetic level. There won't be anything for quite sometime, showing methylation of the genes keeping it inactive. It's unfortunate, that there is more than 1 gene responsible for this, or this wouldn't be an issue at all.Comment
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Yes, we need unlimited donor supply! Until then anti-androgens, growth factors and inhibiting PDG2 will be the way to go. And yes injecting would be a chemical wig aswell, but in a study injections only ONCE a week for the first half then once every TWO weeks for the second half of the study had better results than daily topical applications. If you are willing to spend the money on a mesogun it is quite easy to do! And you also use way less of the substance in the long run since it is going straight to the follicle via injection.Comment
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So I'll admit that I haven't read through this entire thread (so little time...), but I'll just ask this:
Is there any good reason to take 1mg Propecia as opposed to .5mg? I mean, the lower dose halves the cost, and if the response curve is flat, what's the point? Same DHT inhibition, same sides, etc. I've settled into taking .5 every other day, and I'm just wondering if there's any reason to bump it up.Comment
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On the gene therapy level though I believe it was identified the trigger of the baldness gene in the human genome once it activated from dormancy from the DNA sequence but as there is no way yet to shut off that trigger through scientific research as yet with verifiable results we only have the effect we can treat as testosterone and DHT drop off as the years pass so someone who is treating this issue in their 20's and 30's and even 40's and their scale of Norwood has not reduced them past say Norwood 5+or 6 has a fairly reasonable chance depending on their response to Finasteride, Ketoconazole in a shampoo formula , and Minoxidil to slow their hair loss and recoup lost hair in the vertex and crown of their scalp over a routine dosage over time exceeding a year or so. In doing so you are treating against the 5AR inhibitors at the receptors in the follicle, cleaning out DHT on both the scalp and serum level in the blood stream and then you are dealing wit sebum and oil deposits clogging out the hair roots. Over time you will encounter shedding and regrowth over time as the replacement hairs that backfill the shed are stronger and longer in consistency. But you might not respond well to finasteride and encounter heavy side effects or minoxidil might give you dark circles or bags under your eyes.. and the keto might not be effective. In those cases people can either wait patiently for an alternatives, take holistic alternatives like black currant tea, emu oil, biotin, and saw palmetto , get a hair transplant or simply shave their heads and take destiny of hair loss in their own hands rather than wait for nature to do the same thing over a slower range of time.Comment
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