Help with Hairloss advice

[UK_]

That is not true for the majority of men who use it. The majority of men who use it do not experience the possible side effects. Whether you like it or not, that is the truth.

This is probably what happened to you:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/23/mandi-mckee-william-propecia-baldness-drug-woman_n_1695706.html

Idiot.

[Tracy C]

UK_,

You need to stop calling me an idiot because you are completely wrong, you are obviously not very intelligent yourself so you are not qualified to call anyone an idiot. Besides belligerent personal attacks like this are just plain wrong. They might even be a violation of forum rules.

The article you have pointed out is complete and total BS. Anyone with even less than half a brain should be able to see that. The person in that article was obviously transgendered before she even thought about taking the medication. Now she is using the current Propecia scare to try to get money to finance her transformation. It's called ambulance chasing. It's nothing new - and it's not news.

Now grow a pair and act like a man instead of a naughty school boy.

[MackJames]

Except it's not reliable data Tracy. How many times have I got to say this:

The studies are NOT representative of people taking Propecia. They typically are biased in that they (intentionally or otherwise) exclude men who are 1) young, and/or 2) with less aggressive balding/lower on the Norwood scale.

This point is ignored by every person who defends and promotes Propecia. I've yet to read a satisfactory defence. Don't tell me it's not important. It's a blatant methodological flaw.

The study, and I use that term loosely, that is most often mentioned by the anti-fin crowd is the one conducted by Irwig. This study is inherently flawed by poor methodology because it only includes men who have previously complained of sexual side effects. This is clearly confirmation bias.

I've been taking propecia for a year and six months with out any sides.

[UK_]

UK_,

You need to stop calling me an idiot because you are completely wrong, you are obviously not very intelligent yourself so you are not qualified to call anyone an idiot. Besides belligerent personal attacks like this are just plain wrong. They might even be a violation of forum rules.

The article you have pointed out is complete and total BS. Anyone with even less than half a brain should be able to see that. The person in that article was obviously transgendered before she even thought about taking the medication. Now she is using the current Propecia scare to try to get money to finance her transformation. It's called ambulance chasing. It's nothing new - and it's not news.

Now grow a pair and act like a man instead of a naughty school boy.

NEW JULY 2012 STUDY:

"In a group of 54 otherwise healthy former users of finasteride who developed persistent sexual side effects that lasted for at least 3 months, 96% continued to experience these effects when reassessed 9–16 months (mean 14 months) later, raising the possibility of permanent effects.".

ABSTRACT
Introduction.  Finasteride has been associated with sexual side effects that may persist despite discontinuation of the medication. In a clinical series, 20% of subjects with male pattern hair loss reported persistent sexual dysfunction for ≥6 years, suggesting the possibility that the dysfunction may be permanent. These subjects also reported a wide range of symptoms including changes in cognition, ejaculate quality, and genital sensation. Other medications have been associated with irreversible neurological effects, such as phenothiazines with tardive dyskinesias.

Aim.  To prospectively study whether the persistent sexual side effects associated with finasteride resolve or endure over time.

Methods.  Subjects (N = 54) with persistent sexual side effects associated with finasteride were reassessed after 9–16 months (mean 14 months). All subjects were otherwise healthy young men without any baseline sexual dysfunction, medical conditions, psychiatric conditions, or use of oral prescription medications prior to taking finasteride for male pattern hair loss.

Main Outcome Measure.  Scores from the Arizona Sexual Experience Scale (ASEX).

Results.  The participation rate was 81%. At reassessment persistent sexual side effects continued to be present in 96% of subjects. According to the ASEX scores, 89% of subjects met the definition of sexual dysfunction. Neither the length of finasteride use nor the duration of the sexual side effects correlated to changes in scores of sexual dysfunction.

Conclusion.  In most men who developed persistent sexual side effects (≥3 months) despite the discontinuation of finasteride, the sexual dysfunction continued for many months or years. Although several rat studies have shown detrimental changes to erectile function caused by 5 alpha reductase inhibitors, the persistent nature of these changes is an area of active research. Prescribers of finasteride and men contemplating its use should be made aware of the potential adverse medication effects. Irwig MS. Persistent sexual side effects of finasteride: Could they be permanent? J Sex Med **;**:**–**.

TRACY C YOU ARE A COMPLETE IDIOT

FINASTERIDE IS THE HAIR LOSS VERSION OF ACCUTANE AND MORONS LIKE YOU NEED TO SHUT THE **** UP BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW HOW MUCH DAMAGE YOU ARE DOING!!!!!

YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO TELL PEOPLE TO TAKE FINASTERIDE SO PLEASE SHUT YOUR STINK HOLE!!!!

[chrisis]

The study, and I use that term loosely, that is most often mentioned by the anti-fin crowd is the one conducted by Irwig. This study is inherently flawed by poor methodology because it only includes men who have previously complained of sexual side effects. This is clearly confirmation bias.

I've been taking propecia for a year and six months with out any sides.

Telling us you've taken it without sides is absolutely useless information in response to my comment. How old are you and where are you on the Norwood scale? That is more important.

[MackJames]

Telling us you've taken it without sides is absolutely useless information in response to my comment. How old are you and where are you on the Norwood scale? That is more important.

My point was that someone such as myself who experienced no side effects would never have been contacted by Irwig because I didn't fit the criteria for the predetermined conclusion he wanted.

My info is freely available here. I've posted several times about my balding and even posted a pic.

[gmonasco]

My point was that someone such as myself who experienced no side effects would never have been contacted by Irwig because I didn't fit the criteria for the predetermined conclusion he wanted.

The point of his study was to measure the types and duration of sexual dysfunction among men who had already reported the new onset of sexual side effects associated with Propecia use. It wasn't a general study to determine the incidence of such effects among all Propecia users.

The study also notes that its "limitations include a post hoc approach, selection bias, recall bias for before Propecia data, and no serum hormone levels."

[aim4hair]

It's funny how some ppl don't take FIN possible permanent sides seriously.
Guys, we are not talking about regular sides as some irritation or allergy.. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLE PERMENANR SEXUAL SIDES, i'd rather die than being impotent.
Many ppl used to take propecia because they were told the sides will disappear once they quit the meds, but guess what, that's not true, the FDA admits that this drug can cause PERMANENT sexual sides that will last even when you quit the drug and now propecia added that to their label and even website.
And by the way, you have to take this drug for life and sides are unpredictable, some ppl can get them right away, other ppl can get them after years of using the drug, so you never safe..

I still can't understand how any man can take that risk!!!

[chrisis]

My point was that someone such as myself who experienced no side effects would never have been contacted by Irwig because I didn't fit the criteria for the predetermined conclusion he wanted.

My info is freely available here. I've posted several times about my balding and even posted a pic.

But I wasn't talking about the Irwig study. You responded to my post with something completely irrelevant. No one we never get to the bottom of anything around here. Stop confusing the discussion, please.

[BaldinLikeBaldwin]

UK might be the worst poster ever

****ing old bald man troll who's bitter over his finasteride experience so he sits and trolls forum and rages at nice women like Tracy who try to help

leave these boards you illmannered f*ckboy

[NotBelievingIt]

As much as some may disagree with Tracy's approach, UK you really need to man up and let it go and just leave. Not a single man on this forum in my time here has provided as much guidance and thought as Tracy. She's more of a man on the mens side of this site then many of the young kids and even older boys here.

I'm sure you will get banned if you continue to attack.

[Maradona]

As much as some may disagree with Tracy's approach, UK you really need to man up and let it go and just leave. Not a single man on this forum in my time here has provided as much guidance and thought as Tracy. She's more of a man on the mens side of this site then many of the young kids and even older boys here.

I'm sure you will get banned if you continue to attack.

You gotta understand what PFS users go through. We have cried from time to time and there is no way we will recommend this drug to anyone. It is understandable some of us go ape-shit when it comes to the "safety profile".

I will admit the data is more or less accurate.

But to say that they "didn't" experience "any sides at all" and propecia was just candy to them is an understatement and we all know that. Even spencer had the ball pain which went away but he did have sides.

In fact when I started the drug. Around four posters, including me, started a thread and used propecia and guess what...3 of us experienced side effects but not all of us had the permanent sides.

The permanent side effects is rare but it can happen.

I would recommend UK and chrisis to avoid discussion of the permanent side effects. Just show your experience with the drug and let the guy evaluate from that.

[lilpauly]

People who have sides with fin should consider Ru in the k&b solution

[aim4hair]

People who have sides with fin should consider Ru in the k&b solution

is it possible to get this one mixed and ready to use ? or you should buy the stuff separately and do the mixing ?

[Maradona]

is it possible to get this one mixed and ready to use ? or you should buy the stuff separately and do the mixing ?

You can buy it mixed and according to them it's stable in the solution up to 6 months.

We are just being cautious by buying them separately.