Need Help Developing a Regimen Without Fin

[Tracy C]

Everything with you is by the book.

When it comes to discussions about Finasteride, that is all I have to go on. I have nothing else. Sometimes the interpretations of an outside observer is needed, especially with so much fear mongering going on. I have no BIAS. I have no reason to interpret the data one way or the other. I read the data and it says what it says. It just is what it is. I know you guys don't like it but evidence does not lie.

Not once did I say that ALL instances of negative sexual side effects are psychosomatic - as implied by UK_. Yes UK_, you did not read what I wrote. You read into what I wrote and interpreted it the way you did just so you could try to start an argument. Now go away.

The safety profile of RU and those other grey market treatments have not been adequately and appropriately established. Jumping on this bandwagon is foolish and reckless. Many of you guys are going to be very sorry you did that.

[25 going on 65]

The safety profile of RU and those other grey market treatments have not been adequately and appropriately established. Jumping on this bandwagon is foolish and reckless. Many of you guys are going to be very sorry you did that.

Fair warning there. We actually don't know what the long-term effects of these experimental treatments are, and using topicals does not necessarily mean more safety.
Bottom line, using this stuff is putting yourself at an unknown level of risk.

That said, I think the OP is aware of this, and I understand the desperation to keep one's hair....if I couldn't tolerate fin I would probabl;y be looking into the same possibilities I'm sorry to say.

[Tracy C]

There's also a particular saw palmetto complex that might help as an adjunct treatment though it won't maintain hair by itself....I forget which complex but someone can hopefully link to it.

There are many brands that make the exact same blend but this is just one of them.

http://www.naturesbounty.com/PRODUCT/006052

[clandestine]

There are many brands that make the exact same blend but this is just one of them.



http://www.naturesbounty.com/PRODUCT/006052

https://www.google.ca/search?sugexp=chrome,mod=15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=saw+palmetto+gynecomastia

[Tracy C]

Do you guys actually believe you are going to find something that doesn't have possible sexual side effects? You are not going to.

[lilpauly]

i would consider asc j9, ru, rum, equa;, proxiphen, ahk, cb. topicals are good for targeting hairlines.

[Conpecia]

Your best bet is RU.

Mine is too.

I was told that RU may cause gyno. Any info on that? If I have to go with something other than fin at this point it will probably be Folexen over RU, but we'll see... I'm just not comfortable with vehicles and all that stuff. Folexen is already good to go; just take the pill. Also they claim no fin-like sides.

[Conpecia]

i would consider asc j9, ru, rum, equa;, proxiphen, ahk, cb. topicals are good for targeting hairlines.

I'll check this stuff out. Thanks man. I'm envious of your insane regimen, hopefully it continues to work for you with no sides. Judging from your latest pics I'd say just focus on maintaining. Your hair looks great.

[Conpecia]

I'm interested in OC and Equol at higher doses. Several people are trying these and I'll monitor their results for the next few months and see what happens. My current regimen is shaping up to be this:

Nizoral 2%
Keratene Shampoo (via clandestine)
Tocomin Suprabio
Biotin
Folexen
Curcumin
Saw Palmetto
Aged Garlic Extract
Cayenne Pepper (Ginger)
Algae Extract

The extracts and natural stuff are part of a guy's regimen on ************. He calls himself... wait for it... The Natural.

Any feedback on this regimen? Should I cut stuff out? Add stuff? As always, thanks for any input. Feeling a lot better now that I see some other options.

[Conpecia]

Do you guys actually believe you are going to find something that doesn't have possible sexual side effects? You are not going to.

That isn't the issue. The issue is can we find something that doesn't realize those side effects in me and others like me. There is a difference between possible and actual.

[neversaynever]

When it comes to discussions about Finasteride, that is all I have to go on. I have nothing else. Sometimes the interpretations of an outside observer is needed, especially with so much fear mongering going on. I have no BIAS. I have no reason to interpret the data one way or the other. I read the data and it says what it says. It just is what it is. I know you guys don't like it but evidence does not lie.

Not once did I say that ALL instances of negative sexual side effects are psychosomatic - as implied by UK_. Yes UK_, you did not read what I wrote. You read into what I wrote and interpreted it the way you did just so you could try to start an argument. Now go away.

The safety profile of RU and those other grey market treatments have not been adequately and appropriately established. Jumping on this bandwagon is foolish and reckless. Many of you guys are going to be very sorry you did that.

I think the chances of major side effects on fin are exagerrated on forums, because of the very nature of forums. Though they are higher than what merck claims.

However, you simply dont understand how scary it is almost decide between your sex life and hair. Fin was tested properly for safety and to this day we are still learning new things.

I dont think RU will leave many guys very sorry they did it, though there are other substances that make me think people shouldnt be using high doses and taking orally.

If histogen launch into phase 3 with fire in their bellies next year, we know exactly how long we have to stay on these chemicals. Whether it is fin, RU or whatever.

These are calculated risks, but desperate guys, and I am one of them

1. Keep your scalp clean (shampoo)
2. Lower DHT levels and keep DHT away from receptors
3. Add stimulants such as minox and AHK (NOT past 5&#37.
4. Complete diet change, and include things like Biotin.
5. Stay positive. I have a feeling that worrying about sides endlessly might bring them on. In a minority of users.
6. Address inflammation with oils.

[worried]

what do you think abt EMU Oil ?

[Conpecia]

neversaynever, what oils would you recommend? As for growth stimulants, do you know anything about the sides for AHK? Minox at 5% made my face bloat and I read it can age the face. If I go bald my face is all I got going for me, can't risk pruning it up. Thanks for the feedback. I agree with the worrying comment too. Once I establish this regimen I'm taking a vacation from BTT until October.

[neversaynever]

neversaynever, what oils would you recommend? As for growth stimulants, do you know anything about the sides for AHK? Minox at 5% made my face bloat and I read it can age the face. If I go bald my face is all I got going for me, can't risk pruning it up. Thanks for the feedback. I agree with the worrying comment too. Once I establish this regimen I'm taking a vacation from BTT until October.

Im no expert mate. AHK is so vague. I think its dangrous to use copper at high doses. Its important to take zinc when on copper. But too little AHK will do nothing. There was a study that shows 2.5% was effective, ive read no reports of side effects. I would be inclined to do minox everyday and AHK every other day. Have you tried 2% minox?

Every single chemical has side effects, especially if over used. What we're doing is taking calculated risks here...

Im in no position to dish out advice, especially with these experimental treatments, so please take my plan with a pinch of salt...

>Fin (yep! I think I'll just see how i tolerate it. Equol might be effective too though).
> RU
> 5% minox
> 2.5% AHK every other day
> Nizoral 2 or 3 times a week
> Biotin
> Emu oil (does help inflamation and is absorbed into the skin easily).

From my research, its important to be careful using emu oil with other chemicals. You do not want other chemicals mixing into emu oil because this oil penerates the skin very easily, and it could lead to more side effects because more chemicals are getting into your blood.

Im getting closer, but not 100% decided. Thats all I can say for now.

[worried]

I think the chances of major side effects on fin are exagerrated on forums, because of the very nature of forums. Though they are higher than what merck claims.

However, you simply dont understand how scary it is almost decide between your sex life and hair. Fin was tested properly for safety and to this day we are still learning new things.

I dont think RU will leave many guys very sorry they did it, though there are other substances that make me think people shouldnt be using high doses and taking orally.

If histogen launch into phase 3 with fire in their bellies next year, we know exactly how long we have to stay on these chemicals. Whether it is fin, RU or whatever.

These are calculated risks, but desperate guys, and I am one of them

1. Keep your scalp clean (shampoo)
2. Lower DHT levels and keep DHT away from receptors
3. Add stimulants such as minox and AHK (NOT past 5%).
4. Complete diet change, and include things like Biotin.
5. Stay positive. I have a feeling that worrying about sides endlessly might bring them on. In a minority of users.
6. Address inflammation with oils.

What type of diet do u suggest?
Dont you think minox and AHK are only growth stimulants and the hairs grown by them would be only for short period of time