RU is working wonders on Hairloss Help

[Maradona]

How would one know if they were experience these heart related sides?

When I took finasteride I felt a cold in my chest but no palpitations. I think for the most part you never know until it's too late, you are lucky to know in the beginning to stop immediately.

Just stop using RU or anti androgens. You have Gho on your side and future treatments coming on. What's the point?

As for Gho, I am convinced he does what he claims so is Spencer Kobren and the HT industry but it is patented. It's a business matter.

I have not gone to gho myself because my hairloss did not progress beyond nw2.

[clandestine]

When I took finasteride I felt a cold in my chest but no palpitations. I think for the most part you never know until it's too late, you are lucky to know in the beginning to stop immediately.

Just stop using RU or anti androgens. You have Gho on your side and future treatments coming on. What's the point?

As for Gho, I am convinced he does what he claims so is Spencer Kobren and the HT industry but it is patented. It's a business matter.

I have not gone to gho myself because my hairloss did not progress beyond nw2.

Sorry mate but the point is me being a NW3 at 20 years old. If the incidence of this side is rare, and finasteride can cause it too but it is not widely reported, I don't see any major issues in using anti-androgens.

I most certainly appreciate you posting though.

[Winston]

As for Gho, I am convinced he does what he claims so is Spencer Kobren and the HT industry but it is patented. It's a business matter.

Maradona, please provide the verifiable reference for this statement. You are posting it as a statement of fact and unless you can referance your statement it will be removed as per Dr. Gho's request.

[Maradona]

Maradona, please provide the verifiable reference for this statement. You are posting it as a statement of fact and unless you can referance your statement it will be removed as per Dr. Gho's request.

It is my opinion. You are right. Maybe I should've stated that but I thought it was understood.

Listen up, Winston. RU has caused life threatening heart issues in a user, please do consider investigating further and thus removing this thread and any thread RU-related.

[Maradona]

Sorry mate but the point is me being a NW3 at 20 years old. If the incidence of this side is rare, and finasteride can cause it too but it is not widely reported, I don't see any major issues in using anti-androgens.

I most certainly appreciate you posting though.

I am not talking about finasteride. I am talking mostly about RU being life-threatening. I would advise everyone to abstain from it or be very careful with such drug.

It appears the mechanisms of finasteride and RU are different. I would say finasteride is much safer and that's why it made it to market but it doesn't mean it's completely safe.

[As per Dr. Gho's written request, this comment has been removed.]

[Dan26]

I too appreciate the concern and fact you posted. But how many people have used RU? And is this the only one who has had serious effects? What was his dose? Did he have tests done before hand that showed he is healthy. We need as much info as possible, why would companies even begin to experiment with AA's if the science did not back up the potential safety profile. Obviously a lot of systemic absorption is no good, but to rule out AA's completely seems a bit extreme, as they are a key component to fighting hair loss. Also, is the guy going to be OK?

[lilpauly]

Long time since posting guys. I have come here to warn you about RU.

Due to more people using RU in other forums, there has been a report of RU causing life threatening heart issues. I know this person and he was in the spanish forums and other forums.

I have also heard from other dudes having chest discomfort with these drugs.

I can testify to this fact as I had these issues too with finasteride back in january. I experienced heart issues when on finasteride and thought it was minoxidil but it seems AAs do have an effect on the heart too.

You all know my reputation here and that I will not lie about this.

Anybody who is using RU in my opinion needs to stop using it because it can kill you.

It is a rare side but it did happen recently. Take care guys and stop this non sense of treatments. Just get Gho and move on with your life or wait for future treatments.

You have been warned.

I would suggest Spencer Kobren to remove this thread as it is not an FDA approved drug especially when this recent issue that has come to the surface.

I am sorry for the people suffering because of anti androgens.

I deeply believe both finasteride and any anti androgen needs to be removed from the web ever since I experienced PFS early this year but that's too much to ask especially for Spencer Kobren who supports this HT industry and Merck.

If there's an administrator here. Please do consider removing RU threads or anything RU related.

Thanks for your attention.

can u ask your friend he could post the dr's report? am i correct he used it only 6 times?

[JJacobs152]

Maradona, do you know how many drugs would be pulled off the market if they took off every drug that caused "serious heart problems"? It's called a side effect for a reason.

Making these claims without any factual proof should have your posts deleted. You didn't bother to mention ANY VARIABLES:

- Pt's other drugs that he's taking
- Pt's previous heart issues aka past medical history
- Pt's dosing, regiment, method of use, etc etc.

All these variables and so much more go into all this. Obviously you're friend was probably swallowing these drugs causing systemic side effects of the products.

Go back a few posts where LilPauly and others suggested using Valproic Acid to enhance hair growth. I was skeptical at first since I know VA causes alopecia, thrombocytopenia, pancreatitis, and a whole other disarray of side effects, however topical VA shows none of these side effects.

I'd recommend having a bit of tact and sense before posting claims as this, especially without any proof.

[JJacobs152]

I am not talking about finasteride. I am talking mostly about RU being life-threatening. I would advise everyone to abstain from it or be very careful with such drug.

It appears the mechanisms of finasteride and RU are different. I would say finasteride is much safer and that's why it made it to market but it doesn't mean it's completely safe.

[As per Dr. Gho's written request, this comment has been removed.]

Talking out of your @$$ again I see. Actually, their mechanisms aren't really that much different. Finasteride is a competitive inhibitor of DHT, whereas RU is a NON-competitive inhibitor of DHT.

Do you know what Pheochromocytoma is? You probably don't...but the drug of choice for treating this condition is Phenoxybenzamine, and not Phentolamine. Why? PBenz is a NON-competitive inhibitor, whereas Ptol is a competitive inhibitor. Having a NON-CI means the drug will absolutely prevent DHT from binding to the receptors, regardless of how much substrate that develops. With competitive inhibitors, physiological increases of DHT simply knock Finasteride off from the binding sites of it's receptors, and DHT can resume binding to the location allowing further miniaturization and loss of hair follicles.

[doke]

Well then what about higher dose topical minox at 15% it could if used twice a day or less cause side effects thats why fda took it off the market as we know 5 is the max fda and all over the world and even that can cause sides.
I did use minox 4 and 5 with progestorone added and many clinics use this and i have never had any problems.

[Jazz1]

Good growth? Where, hairline? I haven't sifted thru this thread but are you taking this stuff pre mixed? Think I've seen pre mixed in a silver looking bottle on flea bay??

eBay crap is bullshit, you want decent mixed stuff from a well known clinic, 12.5% did good , here's a picture of my hairline before and after using 12.5% cream. Please bare in mind I lost some hairs which are slowly coming back from a shed. I read good stuff about Dr Klein so lets hope it works when I get my bottles, he did say it should be posted next week, I'm stopping the 12.5% as here in the uk as that belgravia center charge way too much money, and for my DR KLEIN does great deals and prices.



Before 12.5%


After


Now;


I have loads pictures il post a thread one day I just want to try everything to get my regime right before I start posting more pictures lol.
Also I get alopecia areata, since fitting a reverse osmosis here in the uk and water system etc my alopecia patches are growing back it was bigger then a 2p coin, my hairdresser was right so many people have alopecia areata it's hard water full of chemicals we tested it. Now I'm drinking clean water and showering I don't get no more muscle cramps in the gym and the hairs growing back here,

[Jazz1]

Talking out of your @$$ again I see. Actually, their mechanisms aren't really that much different. Finasteride is a competitive inhibitor of DHT, whereas RU is a NON-competitive inhibitor of DHT.

Do you know what Pheochromocytoma is? You probably don't...but the drug of choice for treating this condition is Phenoxybenzamine, and not Phentolamine. Why? PBenz is a NON-competitive inhibitor, whereas Ptol is a competitive inhibitor. Having a NON-CI means the drug will absolutely prevent DHT from binding to the receptors, regardless of how much substrate that develops. With competitive inhibitors, physiological increases of DHT simply knock Finasteride off from the binding sites of it's receptors, and DHT can resume binding to the location allowing further miniaturization and loss of hair follicles.

He's probably jsut upset and looking at the 0.01% side effects on one guy as a bad for everyone else, think about finesteride millions users and 2% get sides etc. Minoxidol was same I had funny chest pains now they gone along time ago, I think it's always best to use very small dose first see how ones body reacts etc as you need to let any drug get use to your body otherwise a high dose can be a shock and cause side effects.

[Jazz1]

I'm going try this as I use hair oils ever now and then and they work, ancient people used oils aswell. But this oil is special iv read so many good stuff on it, all oils around world are mixed in one .

http://www.divineherbal.co.uk/testimonials

[JJacobs152]

He's probably jsut upset and looking at the 0.01% side effects on one guy as a bad for everyone else, think about finesteride millions users and 2% get sides etc. Minoxidol was same I had funny chest pains now they gone along time ago, I think it's always best to use very small dose first see how ones body reacts etc as you need to let any drug get use to your body otherwise a high dose can be a shock and cause side effects.

Minox causing chest pains is understandable since it's actually an anti-hypertensive drug. It causes hyperpolarization of the arterioles which results in vasodilation of the vessels. Dilating the vessels results in a drop in blood pressure through the system, which the medulla of the brain senses. The brain thinks that we're losing blood (ie hemorrhage) and tries to compensate for this by increasing the heart rate to pump more blood through the system.

This is why people who take minox have these "chest pains". It's just a homeostatic reflex that occurs in our body. The opposite is also true if we were to vasoconstrict our vessels, hr would decrease.

[JJacobs152]

Jazz, what nationality are you? With your thick hair and NW0, don't see why you're even here.