There are no hairloss treatments.

[ryan555]

****'s sake.... there should be an automatic ban for anyone who even begins typing "mature hairline". No such thing. You are balding. Yes it's in early stages but you're still balding. Start treating it now.

Yes, I'm sure there is a conspiracy where all the hair loss doctors in the world have decided to make this up even though they would all benefit financially were it not true. I am glad 2020 from the bald truth forums knows better than the medical community. By the way, my grandfather who died at 82 with a thick Norwood 2 hairline would disagree with your assessment.

After spending some time on this board, I'm starting to think that IQ and emotional stability are somehow contained within hair follicles.

[ryan555]

I agree with you about the general point that existing hairloss treatments are utterly terrible. No wonder so few men actually use them.

Where do you get your information? Millions of men are on Propecia and I would assume even more than that are on Minoxidil. I know of at least 10 of my friends who take Propecia and it has maintained their hair. I took it for 12 years and I kept the hair of a 12-year-old boy the entire time I was on it. These meds work well and for the vast majority of men they do not cause major issues. You would never know this by reading these boards because there is absolute hysteria being spread about them.

[ryan555]

Thanks, thats very informative.

What does your hairline look like now - is it similar to mine?

Also, why are you still here, if your hairloss is stable?

Cheers

My hairline is about like yours, maybe even a tad bit more receded, but it doesn't look like I'm balding. The hair loss seems to be pretty stable - I rarely notice any shedding or anything like that. Will I continue to lose hair in the future? Quite possibly, but luckily there are good treatments out there and better ones on the way. The doctor who saw me recently told me that most adult men just do not keep the same hair they had as a teenager and that half of his consultations are with guys who are freaking out because they are seeing changes. He said in addition to the whole "mature hairline" phenomenon, a lot of guys just lose a bit of thickness, texture, etc. This doctor has no reason to lie to me about these things. In fact, it seems that he could easily make a lot of money convincing these men to have a HT.

I still read this board occasionally for a few reasons. First, I am a fairly large investor in one of the much-discussed companies working on new treatments and I like to see what people are saying about it. Second, I like to hear about all the new treatments out there, in case I ever end up needing them. Third, this forum needs more people speaking in a rational, adult tone to drown out all the crazy neurotic people who are spreading hysteria and misinformation.

[yeahyeahyeah]

I don't know why you are fretting and Rahal is not going to touch you right now with that hairline. When I first started losing hair in my hairline, I was about 20 and I became obsessed with it. I was sure I'd be bald soon and every time I saw hair fall out my heart sank. Then I got on Propecia as soon as it came to the market and my juvenile hairline regrew almost completely so I never thought about it for 12 years. Two years ago, had to stop Propecia cold turkey and I assumed my hair loss would "catch up" and I'd be bald within a few months. After several months off the drug, my hairline slowly started inching backward but it has gone to basically a Norwood 2, maybe a tiny bit more receded than yours but not much (*knocking on wood*). I am now 35 years old. I have recently seen a well-known hair transplant doctor, not because I want a HT but because I wanted him to evaluate my hair. He found that there was very little miniaturization behind my hairline and told me that my hairline was mature, that he thinks I never needed Propecia, and that I should not restart it. Why am I rambling on about this? Well, I think there are a few take-aways from my story that are relevant to you:

1) Stop fretting and go see a doctor who can look for miniaturization with a microscope. They can see where your hair loss is headed and tell you definitively if you need to be on meds or if your loss is likely to stop soon.

2) The mature hairline is NOT a myth. Someone whose hairline recedes a little may indeed end up becoming bald later in life, but it may stop for many years, or it may never resume again. I promise you I have men in my family in their 60's and 70's with Norwood 2 hairlines that they've had since their 20's.

3) If you are really unable to accept your hairline, which appears to be natural for an adult male and does not at all look like that of a balding man, then the meds do often work to bring your hairline back down. It certainly did for me.

4) I seriously doubt that your friends are making as many comments as you think they are. Nobody is staring at your hairline except for you and people will not ever think of you as balding unless your loss becomes cosmetically significant, which it absolutely is not.

Stop paying attention to the neurotic lunatics on the internet who tell you that losing a centimeter or two off your hairline is then end of the world. Go get your hair checked, formulate a plan, and move on with life. Seriously.

Thanks, thats very informative.

What does your hairline look like now - is it similar to mine?

Also, why are you still here, if your hairloss is stable?

Cheers

[ryan555]

See this is my dilemma, I just don't know if it is worth fretting about or not.

I sent my pics to Rahal for a consultation, the rep was like - you have a mature hairline. Don't sweat over it.

But - that's it, I know I have lost hair, but I don't know if I will lose anymore hair. For the life of me I want to avoid meds at all cost.

Mu hairline was more rounded before.

I am 26 for anyone interested in my age.

I don't know why you are fretting and Rahal is not going to touch you right now with that hairline. When I first started losing hair in my hairline, I was about 20 and I became obsessed with it. I was sure I'd be bald soon and every time I saw hair fall out my heart sank. Then I got on Propecia as soon as it came to the market and my juvenile hairline regrew almost completely so I never thought about it for 12 years. Two years ago, had to stop Propecia cold turkey and I assumed my hair loss would "catch up" and I'd be bald within a few months. After several months off the drug, my hairline slowly started inching backward but it has gone to basically a Norwood 2, maybe a tiny bit more receded than yours but not much (*knocking on wood*). I am now 35 years old. I have recently seen a well-known hair transplant doctor, not because I want a HT but because I wanted him to evaluate my hair. He found that there was very little miniaturization behind my hairline and told me that my hairline was mature, that he thinks I never needed Propecia, and that I should not restart it. Why am I rambling on about this? Well, I think there are a few take-aways from my story that are relevant to you:

1) Stop fretting and go see a doctor who can look for miniaturization with a microscope. They can see where your hair loss is headed and tell you definitively if you need to be on meds or if your loss is likely to stop soon.

2) The mature hairline is NOT a myth. Someone whose hairline recedes a little may indeed end up becoming bald later in life, but it may stop for many years, or it may never resume again. I promise you I have men in my family in their 60's and 70's with Norwood 2 hairlines that they've had since their 20's.

3) If you are really unable to accept your hairline, which appears to be natural for an adult male and does not at all look like that of a balding man, then the meds do often work to bring your hairline back down. It certainly did for me.

4) I seriously doubt that your friends are making as many comments as you think they are. Nobody is staring at your hairline except for you and people will not ever think of you as balding unless your loss becomes cosmetically significant, which it absolutely is not.

Stop paying attention to the neurotic lunatics on the internet who tell you that losing a centimeter or two off your hairline is then end of the world. Go get your hair checked, formulate a plan, and move on with life. Seriously.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Yeah3, you may have lost hair compared to you when you were 16, but a NW2 isn't balding balding. It's mild MPB or pre-MPB MPB that 99.9% of the population won't be able to spot, or consider 'wrong'. Not that that fact should mean one doesn't need to treat it , or at least plan to treat it, but it's not past the point of no return just yet.

I agree with you about the general point that existing hairloss treatments are utterly terrible. No wonder so few men actually use them. They're treading water at best. Just hope that they let us tread water for long enough for the big guns to arrive on the market...*

* or via other means of acquiring them, at least.

Yeah, dont know wtf to do. Sent hassan and wong a consultation, see what they say. May go to a dermatologist for extra measures.

On one hand, I fancy my chances of holding onto my NW2 for 5 years at least (when the big boys come out) - given you have guys like my brother, pierce brosnan, jordan knight, john terry with similar hairlines and thickness. Whose hair seem to be stable.

But at the same time, I am very stressed out over this. Because - you just don't know.

Do you know that if you lose hair, you will become a high norwood? Are there cases where it goes back a bit and stops?

[Kirby_]

Yeah3, you may have lost hair compared to you when you were 16, but a NW2 isn't balding balding. It's mild MPB or pre-MPB MPB that 99.9% of the population won't be able to spot, or consider 'wrong'. Not that that fact should mean one doesn't need to treat it , or at least plan to treat it, but it's not past the point of no return just yet.

I agree with you about the general point that existing hairloss treatments are utterly terrible. No wonder so few men actually use them. They're treading water at best. Just hope that they let us tread water for long enough for the big guns to arrive on the market...*

* or via other means of acquiring them, at least.

[yeahyeahyeah]

****'s sake.... there should be an automatic ban for anyone who even begins typing "mature hairline". No such thing. You are balding. Yes it's in early stages but you're still balding. Start treating it now.

Exactly like this guy too:



Sucks BALLS. Wish I could pull it off like him.
Currently using toco 8 and niz.

Shedding has decreased with toco.

Remains to be seen if it is effective. Maintainence will be enough.

[2020]

****'s sake.... there should be an automatic ban for anyone who even begins typing "mature hairline". No such thing. You are balding. Yes it's in early stages but you're still balding. Start treating it now.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Only if you have MPB, which is hard to tell from your pics. If you have it, the earlier you start fin, the more hair you will save. If you don't have it, fin is pointless.

See this is my dilemma, I just don't know if it is worth fretting about or not.

I sent my pics to Rahal for a consultation, the rep was like - you have a mature hairline. Don't sweat over it.

But - that's it, I know I have lost hair, but I don't know if I will lose anymore hair. For the life of me I want to avoid meds at all cost.

Mu hairline was more rounded before.

I am 26 for anyone interested in my age.

[jpm]

Dude you are not that bad at all!! better than like 85% of people on here!

To anyone who wasn't concerned with balding they wouldn't even bat an eyelid at your hairline.

personally i would start on a low does of fin.

but thats my opinion, im sure others will warn you off!!!

[25 going on 65]

Only if you have MPB, which is hard to tell from your pics. If you have it, the earlier you start fin, the more hair you will save. If you don't have it, fin is pointless.

[yeahyeahyeah]

If you have MPB, finasteride is not going to make you lose any hair that you wouldn't lose without it.

based on the photos, would you start using fin?

[25 going on 65]

If you have MPB, finasteride is not going to make you lose any hair that you wouldn't lose without it.

[yeahyeahyeah]

I've been on 1mg of Propecia for about 2 years now. I have noticed sides as well yet I continue to take it because I'm scared to death of living life as a bald man. It's helped to lessen hair loss but it hasn't completely stopped it (I still see hair on my bathroom floor although that may be because I have long hair). If Propecia was much more effective (if it regrew a substantial amount of hair), then I'd be way more tolerant of the side effects. But give it a try man, I'd take side effects any day over living life as a bald man. I dunno, ask me in 5 years again though!

Well this is my hair:











As you can see it is thick. Which is why I am scared to death to start fin and worsen it. Given there hasn't been significant changes to my hair over the past year.

I am 26.

But the problem is the hairline, it is forcing my hair to grow in the centre, forming a triangle in my head. Hence my friends comment about my temples. If my hair stays the same, I will be a happy man, but I dont know if I should hold out until better treatments come out on start fin.

Sigh I feel so sad about this shit.