Addressing root cause of male pattern baldness: a well known approach?

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  • 2020
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2012
    • 1513

    Originally posted by Aston
    2020, you always have tunnel vision. Okay, you have low SHBG. Ask yourself why.
    Can't answer? Then shush and listen.
    I didn't say I have a low SHBG.... I said it would be wise to keep it high though.

    Originally posted by Aston
    Study examining the japanese case (sorry, need access for article): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14527633
    right right... low SHBG = insulin problems. I know that. Question now: what would be the best way to raise it without changing diet?

    Originally posted by Aston
    no one here will change their diet purely for male pattern baldness.... I'd rather go bald actually. Don't reduce this forum to IH where they talk about which potatoes are better for hair ffs why are they so crazy?

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    • Aston
      Member
      • Apr 2012
      • 82

      Originally posted by 2020
      I didn't say I have a low SHBG.... I said it would be wise to keep it high though.
      You can't. Hormonal balance is tightly regulated in the organism. The best you can do is either raise or decrease metabolic rates, or correct imbalances.

      right right... low SHBG = insulin problems. I know that. Question now: what would be the best way to raise it without changing diet?
      Probably trying to forcefully increase your metabolic rate with the same treatment i have been advocating since the start of the thread... pregnenolone, T replacement, cortisol replacement, Thyroid hormone replacement. For starters, the only way to increase resting metabolism is to get the thyroid to allow for a higher metabolic rate, despite the pituitary telling it to "lay low". As i said before, just trying increase your SHBG to useful levels would be a disaster and create a metabolic imbalance.

      no one here will change their diet purely for male pattern baldness.... I'd rather go bald actually. Don't reduce this forum to IH where they talk about which potatoes are better for hair ffs why are they so crazy?
      Are you kidding? Paying thousands of dollars for a transplant which is simply groctesque and barely covers what you lost, or taking dangerous meds like finasteride is better than adopting a healthier diet? I know people who would gladly kill if it stopped their balding.

      That said, i don't plan to discuss diet in detail in this thread and forum. There are specific forums for that.

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      • 2020
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2012
        • 1513

        Originally posted by Aston
        You can't. Hormonal balance is tightly regulated in the organism. The best you can do is either raise or decrease metabolic rates, or correct imbalances.
        all right so since SHBG is low what could be the most common causes for it?

        Originally posted by Aston
        Probably trying to forcefully increase your metabolic rate with the same treatment i have been advocating since the start of the thread... pregnenolone, T replacement, cortisol replacement, Thyroid hormone replacement. For starters, the only way to increase resting metabolism is to get the thyroid to allow for a higher metabolic rate, despite the pituitary telling it to "lay low". As i said before, just trying increase your SHBG to useful levels would be a disaster and create a metabolic imbalance.
        ugh is that really the best way? Taking T3 pills for the rest of your life? That can't be good


        Originally posted by Aston
        Are you kidding? Paying thousands of dollars for a transplant which is simply groctesque and barely covers what you lost, or taking dangerous meds like finasteride is better than adopting a healthier diet?
        did I suggest transplants and DHT blockers? I said I'd rather just give up and go bald gracefully rather than going on crazy diets(which never work for MPB) for the rest of my life...

        Originally posted by Aston
        I know people who would gladly kill if it stopped their balding.
        no one has ever ever ever in the history of mankind stopped their MPB by changing diet.

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        • gutted
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2011
          • 1397

          Originally posted by 2020
          all right so since SHBG is low what could be the most common causes for it?


          looooooool

          hes told you 10 million times yet you still ask the same question.

          It is known that there is an inverse relationship between the serum levels of insulin and sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) in women, but the relationship in men has not been reported. It is not known whether changes in the one cause changes in the other, or whether they change in opposite directi …


          dude, just stick to your pgd2 inhibition or finastride.

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          • 2020
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2012
            • 1513

            Originally posted by gutted
            looooooool

            hes told you 10 million times yet you still ask the same question.

            It is known that there is an inverse relationship between the serum levels of insulin and sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) in women, but the relationship in men has not been reported. It is not known whether changes in the one cause changes in the other, or whether they change in opposite directi …
            insulin is not the only thing that controls SHBG levels and even so how would I fix it without going on a diet?


            Originally posted by gutted
            dude, just stick to your pgd2 inhibition or finastride.

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            • gutted
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2011
              • 1397

              Originally posted by 2020
              insulin is not the only thing that controls SHBG levels and even so how would I fix it without going on a diet?





              use a pgd2 inhibitor?? lool

              you cant do it without modifying your diet, try adding green tea. theres studies stating it raises sbhg.

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              • 2020
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2012
                • 1513

                Originally posted by gutted
                use a pgd2 inhibitor?? lool
                what are you talking about?

                Originally posted by gutted
                you cant do it without modifying your diet, try adding green tea. theres studies stating it raises sbhg.
                so we're back on bad diet causes MPB? no...

                okay green tea I'll go look for studies, what else?

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                • gutted
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 1397

                  Originally posted by 2020
                  what are you talking about?



                  so we're back on bad diet causes MPB? no...

                  okay green tea I'll go look for studies, what else?

                  finasteride increased it in women...

                  This study was performed to confirm the favourable therapeutic effects of finasteride in hirsute women as described by previous publications of different research groups. Our study was a non-randomized, prospective clinical trial. Thirty five patients with hirsutism were included in the study. The p …

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                  • 2020
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 1513



                    alcoholism = hypo-androgenism

                    that explains why rock stars never lose hair

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                    • 2020
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2012
                      • 1513

                      Originally posted by gutted
                      finasteride increased it in women...

                      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10376445
                      yeah but I don't want to block 5AR... your body will eventually adjust to it so that's a bad long term solution

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                      • gutted
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 1397

                        Originally posted by 2020
                        http://alcalc.oxfordjournals.org/content/34/6/903.full

                        alcoholism = hypo-androgenism

                        that explains why rock stars never lose hair
                        loool i thought diet cant impact hair loss...

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                        • gutted
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 1397

                          Originally posted by 2020
                          yeah but I don't want to block 5AR... your body will eventually adjust to it so that's a bad long term solution
                          finasteride is a good way to address the 5alpareductase imbalances, but the dosages/treatment frequency is overkill.

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                          • 2020
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 1513

                            Originally posted by gutted
                            loool i thought diet cant impact hair loss...
                            yeah we're talking about ALCOHOL here.... now show me a study where the same is achieved on a gluten free diet or something

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                            • 2020
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 1513

                              Originally posted by gutted
                              finasteride is a good way to address the 5alpareductase imbalances, but the dosages/treatment frequency is overkill.
                              5AR is fine.

                              we need to find a way to inhibit DHT in a way like equol or SHBG that way your body could not build a tolerance to it so MPB would be effectively cured...

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                              • gutted
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2011
                                • 1397

                                Originally posted by 2020
                                yeah we're talking about ALCOHOL here.... now show me a study where the same is achieved on a gluten free diet or something
                                alcohol is part of the diet.

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