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[beatinghairloss]

I wasn't going to get involved but this shit is ridiculous





Really you want to go there? Everything you say is bullshit theories and pseudoscience.




Really?? DHT is produced by sperm going through the prostate? You are obviously a moron who has no clue what you're talking about.

DHT is produced in the prostate, testes, hair follicles, and adrenal gland when testosterone is reduced by the enzyme 5a-reductase. It does this by breaking the 4,5 pi bond in testosterone reducing it to DHT. Sperm passing through the prostate has nothing to do with it.

Like 2020 said hair transplant patients take fin to protect their native hair from falling out they don't take it to protect the transplanted hair.

Your argument for scalp tightness is laughable. I started balding when I was very young around 15. I have always had a loose scalp and at 29 my scalp is just as loose now as it was when I was young. I can voluntarily move the skin on my head along with my ears back and forth a good couple of inches without my hands.

The main factor that determines how many grafts you can receive from a transplant is your scalp laxity, meaning there are tons of bald men with loose scalps.

here is an example: http://youtu.be/pyz2s_CtRf4

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/2055645/

Again being stuck on forums has ruined you sense of Leaurning and due scientific process. It's common knowledge in the field of male reproduction that DHT is metabolized via the 5-alpha reductase from testosterone as it is secreted during the addition to sperm for ejaculation you need to read more and make better connections. No educated urologist would argue DHT is primarily made in the prostate or that castrating a man would render the prostate inable to make DHT from T being that there is no more T. Read something and don't get so upset I think the DHT is clogging more then your follicles. Btw I stopped my hair loss 3 years ago and mostly reversed it. Hair looks great and I feel great and I'm trying to share that with you close minded people is kinda rediculous.

[beatinghairloss]

Any time you see a transplant that looks "pluggy" it is at least 15 years old, usually older. There are plenty of people walking around with transplants from the 60s-80s. One guy posting on the Intro section of this forum yesterday has grafts from the 1970s.
Transplants grow and they keep growing--we knew this decades ago. The grafts start miniaturizing when the donor region does, because that's what follicles from that area of the scalp are genetically programmed to do. (In general, this donor thinning won't occur in significant amounts until old age.. if ever.)

Ok all things considered this could easily be explained. If a large donor site is relocated imagine what your doing to the tightness of the scalp you would be changing it atleast in one case. Either way I still have heard nobody show or tell me of one person they can provide proof that had had a transplant last even 20 years. Prove me wrong

[25 going on 65]

Any time you see a transplant that looks "pluggy" it is at least 15 years old, usually older. There are plenty of people walking around with transplants from the 60s-80s. One guy posting on the Intro section of this forum yesterday has grafts from the 1970s.
Transplants grow and they keep growing--we knew this decades ago. The grafts start miniaturizing when the donor region does, because that's what follicles from that area of the scalp are genetically programmed to do. (In general, this donor thinning won't occur in significant amounts until old age.. if ever.)

[greatjob!]

I wasn't going to get involved but this shit is ridiculous

so you are bringing out your theories with no credible results

are so set in a lot of the pseudoscience

Really you want to go there? Everything you say is bullshit theories and pseudoscience.

Castrates don't go bald because DHT is produced through via sperm going through the prostate and if you don't have testicles and there's no sperm passing to the prostate no DHT

Really?? DHT is produced by sperm going through the prostate? You are obviously a moron who has no clue what you're talking about.

DHT is produced in the prostate, testes, hair follicles, and adrenal gland when testosterone is reduced by the enzyme 5a-reductase. It does this by breaking the 4,5 pi bond in testosterone reducing it to DHT. Sperm passing through the prostate has nothing to do with it.

Like 2020 said hair transplant patients take fin to protect their native hair from falling out they don't take it to protect the transplanted hair.

Your argument for scalp tightness is laughable. I started balding when I was very young around 15. I have always had a loose scalp and at 29 my scalp is just as loose now as it was when I was young. I can voluntarily move the skin on my head along with my ears back and forth a good couple of inches without my hands.

The main factor that determines how many grafts you can receive from a transplant is your scalp laxity, meaning there are tons of bald men with loose scalps.

here is an example: http://youtu.be/pyz2s_CtRf4

[Davey Jones]

2020, why are you participating in this nonsense? All your evidence doesn't count and all his evidence doesn't exist. It's a no win situation, man. Pretty sure the guy's a transexual anyway.

[beatinghairloss]

Castrates don't go bald because DHT is produced through via sperm going through the prostate and if you don't have testicles and there's no sperm passing to the prostate no DHT and since DHT only causes baldness in a tight scalp then if you take one or the other out you won't experience balding. And yes showing me prrson one would at least make you sound less naive for even suggesting the idea however in the name of science I would demand much more than one to consider something scientifically proven.

[2020]

Forget everything you think you know about hair loss. If I told you that a tight scalp gets worse as you get older that it gets tight enough to render blood flow stationary would you think hair in that area would keep growing?

^ BUT THIS IS NOT HAPPENING!!!! Castrates don't go bald. Why don't the scalp of castrates and those on DHT blockers don't go bald??

Also if there is someone who has had a hair transplant 20 years ago and none of the transplanted hairs have stop growing please reveal your self.......

god damnit it's late at night but I would find it.

If I find you that person, would you then admit that your theory is false??

[beatinghairloss]

Forget everything you think you know about hair loss. If I told you that a tight scalp gets worse as you get older that it gets tight enough to render blood flow stationary would you think hair in that area would keep growing? If so plEase provide the readers an explanation to this phenomenon because if these dermal cells can grow and maintain life without blood then we have found a miracle of life seen no where else. Also if there is someone who has had a hair transplant 20 years ago and none of the transplanted hairs have stop growing please reveal your self.......

[2020]

Again if you expect me to believe that hairs are individually predisposed genetically to balding and at the top of the head somehow have this effect on the sides and lower back of the head do not than you are downright naive.

yes... that's why transplants work

Another note to consider is that hair transplants have not been successfully around for 50 year most people have to go back for numerous treatments I don't care how good they're done they don't last forever and have not been well-established to do so you are bringing out your theories with no credible results. Show me one patient just one that has had a hair transplant last even 10 years please show me one?????

yes they have to come back every 5-10 years because their EXISTING DHT susceptible hair will continue to fall.... the donor hair that has been implanted won't fall out.

Are you seriously questioning the fact that SOME HAIR IS DHT RESISTANT AND SOME ARE NOT!?!?
Every hair loss forum has a "hair transplant" section. Check it out yourself...

[beatinghairloss]

Again if you expect me to believe that hairs are individually predisposed genetically to balding and at the top of the head somehow have this effect on the sides and lower back of the head do not than you are downright naive. Another note to consider is that hair transplants have not been successfully around for 50 year most people have to go back for numerous treatments I don't care how good they're done they don't last forever and have not been well-established to do so you are bringing out your theories with no credible results. Show me one patient just one that has had a hair transplant last even 10 years please show me one????? This is why they prescribe propecia and minoxidil for Patients who have had successful hair transplants and don't just assume that the transplants are going to work. You as formum readers, are so set in a lot of the pseudoscience that you don't realize there has been no studies to prove what you're saying cannot even consider alternative possibilities when there is no established science on the actual causes or preventative measures for balding you are being naïve you're being fooled you're being duped.

[25 going on 65]

A follicle grows hair for as long as it's genetically programmed to do. We know transplanted hair can grow 40 years or more (punch grafts started in the 1950s, and eyebrow/eye lash transplants in the 1930s). Increased blood flow from wounding shouldn't last 4, 5 or 6 decades..
And the results depend on technology, technique, and the skill of the surgeon/technicians--there are plenty of clinics that now perform consistent quality transplants with very high yield.

[2020]

what are you arguing then. We know from the only study measuring blood flow in balding areas that blood flow is decreased. We know men without hair loss have a significant more blood flow. So then what are you really arguing. And if it controls what dilates blood vessels then how is that any different then what i said. I understand one thing for sure. In my observations people with tight scalps usually also have awkward shaped heads and those people lose their hair. I have trained my self on this soo much that we could take 1000 people shave all their heads skin bald so i could not tell who was or wasn't balding and each time i would be able to tell who is going to or already has just based on the tightness of there scalp.

hair transplants work. Hair transplants work. Hair transplants work.

[2020]

heres the same study on published medical website.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8628793

again - HOW DO YOU KNOW that it's not the other way around!!

[beatinghairloss]

What are you arguing then. We know from the only study Measuring blood flow in balding areas that blood flow is decreased. We know men without hair loss have a SIGNIFICANT more blood flow. So then what are you really arguing. And if it controls what dilates blood vessels then how is that any different then what I said. I understand one thing for sure. In my observations people with tight scalps usually also have awkward shaped heads and those people lose their hair. I have trained my self on this soo much that we could take 1000 people shave all their heads skin bald so I could not tell who was or wasn't balding and each time I would be able to tell who is going to or already has just based on the tightness of there scalp.

[2020]

again....hair transplants work because it takes time for DHT to build up in the hair follicle on top of that you create a wound that allow for more blood flow (please dont carve up your heads).

DHT to "build up"??? This isn't cholesterol dude... are you trolling us?

Not to mention that we dont know how long or how well hair transplants work nor is there good evidence they all work in fact many people if not most have less then desirable results.

yeah we do know that they work. Plenty of people have gotten transplants in the last 20 years.... come on!

Also not even the creators of the drug minoxidil argue that their product is a vasodilator it was originally created to help blood pressure in the 80's. I don't know how you ignore these links but whatever you want to believe bro.

Minoxidil was first used exclusively as an oral drug (with the trade name 'Loniten') to treat high blood pressure. However, it was discovered to have an interesting side effect: Minoxidil may cause increased growth or darkening of fine body hairs, or in some cases, significant hair growth.

it was already established that minoxidil is safe to use to lower blood pressure so what they did is made a topical version of it to use as a hair growth treatment.....
they themselves didn't know how or why it works for growing hair but it does so they decided to market it for hair growth too.

btw Prostaglandin E2 IS a vasodilator....