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  • Hairlover
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2012
    • 8

    My regimen that worked for years

    In another thread, I mentioned to clandestine that I would make a post on the regimen I used for 14 years (and still do) to stop hair loss. It worked beautifully up until a few months ago. As I mentioned on the other thread, something about the medication Differin negated the effectiveness of the regimen, and I do not yet know whether the hair loss I’ve experienced in the last few months will continue, as it has for many Differin users even after they stop using it.

    My sad tale of woe aside, I thought there might be some guys out who might benefit by me sharing my story. I started losing hair at 19. Within 9 months or so I could already see a difference. I hadn’t lost too much hair, but the remaining hair was very thin and weak-looking. I got self-conscious about it, especially when my hair was wet.

    I forget how I stumbled on the place,- it was probably through the Yellow Pages (we didn’t have Internet back then . ) I found a local business advertising for hair loss and set up an appointment with them. I was very skeptical because hair loss companies often peddle snake oil, but I was also desperate to find a solution. Fortunately, they turned out to be the real deal, and I’ve had a very good relationship with the people who run that business ever since. (Full disclosure: I have no economic incentive in making this post. I think the business gives $50 for a referral or something like that, but I have never collected one and don’t plan on doing so even if people here are interested, especially because I’d have to give my real name here).

    Anyway, this place first did a lab test on my hair. They plucked about a dozen and shipped them off for analysis some place. A few days later, they called me and gave me the results. It was so long ago I can’t remember all the details, but it showed stuff like diameter of hair shafts and percentage of hair in the catagen (sp?) phase, I think. They then set up a regimen for me to try to stop the hair loss, which consisted of using the following:

    1) A special shampoo every day. There are 5 shampoos I use on a regular basis, I just rotate them every day.

    2) Use a tonic every day, applied by doing a vigorous scalp massage for a few minutes.

    3) Once or twice a week, using a “rake.” This device resembles one of those Violet Wands or whatever they call them. They have a reputation for being quackery because people used them a 100 years to try to stop hair loss. But they are legit, or at least this one is. I know from experience that they are a critical part of the regimen and that if I do not use one consistently for 3 or 4 months, my hair problems will resurface. The device generates electricity and you run it over your scalp for a few minutes. After you turn it off, you can see the sebum from your scalp on the tip of the device. The amount of sebum removed corresponds strongly to the length of time since the last use.

    4) In office visits. For the first 3 months after starting the regimen, I would do weekly visits to this place for treatments. They have a rake (I eventually bought one myself for home use) and they do a variety of shampoos and their workers give a prolonged scalp massage. The whole thing takes about an hour. When I lived in the city I did when I was 19 (Milwaukee), I would get monthly treatments. Since I’ve moved far away, I get treatments probably 3 times a year, usually when I’m in town to visit family or whatever.

    The beauty of the regiment is that it is very effective and, after the initial few months, very low-maintenance. The shampoo just replaces my normal shampoo, and the tonic/massage takes 3 minutes. That’s the core of the program, the stuff that has to be done daily.

    The downside is that the initial treatment may require in-office visits, and this business is only in one city in the U.S (Milwaukee). I know they have loose affiliates around the country, but my vague impression is that these affiliates just do a bunch of hair loss stuff like transplants, not necessarily the regimen I described.

    Also, the upfront cost can be considerable. I purchased the following a long time ago, and I’m sure the prices have gone up since then: rake, about $500); lab test, $300 or $500, can’t remember which); weekly office visits for the first 3 months were $35 back then, but are $70 or $75 now. The shampoos used to be $15 but are now $35. Each one is in a small bottle but lasts a fairly long time, especially because I am rotating them. I would estimate that each year I buy 3 each of the five shampoos I rotate, so 15 * 35 = 525. Plus, the tonic I use costs more than a shampoo (maybe 50?) and I go through 4 a year or so, so that’s another $200. Then, 3 office visits a year come to about $220. So a total of about a grand a year once the upfront costs are out of the way, which to me is a no-brainer (my facial features are such that the bald look would be terrible on me).

    As I’ve said, it works beautifully for me, at least up until I took Differin. MPB is extremely strong in my family and all my close male relatives have hair loss, even the ones younger than me. I’ve tried to explain this regimen to people before and they look at me like I have 3 heads when I tell them hair loss can be stopped for most men, but it is true. FWIW, the business that sells the products claims an 85 or 90% success rate at stopping hair loss on the regimen. The regimen does not re-grow hair, it only stops hair loss. However, if you are experiencing hair loss it will make your existing hair thicker and healthier-looking.

    I am very much aware, especially in light of my recent registration, that I sound like a shill. But I’m not! If anyone in the Milwaukee area is interested, just let me know and I will post more info.
  • 2020
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2012
    • 1513

    #2
    I'm interested. Do they have a website?

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    • Hairlover
      Junior Member
      • Feb 2012
      • 8

      #3
      Yes, their site is http://www.wantmorehair.com/.

      The name of the company is Transitions, although they used to be called Lion's Den back when I started.

      FYI, the regimen I mentioned (they call it the "Ross Program") is not advertised on the site. In recent years the company has focused more on HTs. Also, their hair loss control products now revolve around something they call DHT Sensor. The DHT Sensor is only one shampoo and is even more low-maintenance than the Ross Program. A lot of their customers like DHT Sensor and have switched to it from the Ross Program. But 3 or 4 years back, when I tried to the same, I had poor results on DHT Sensor and switched back to the Ross after a couple of months. From what they tell me, some guys just respond better to one of the two, who knows why.

      In any case, the Ross Program is still available through them, even if it's not listed on their site.

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      • 2020
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2012
        • 1513

        #4
        ok, this is what they offer:

        hair transplants - transplants don't work so that's useless..

        laser hair therapy - that's just a HairMax laser which is not that effective... You can buy it on your own without going through "consultants".

        hair loss control products - DHT sensor - doesn't list any ingredients... Do you still have a bottle? Can you tell me what the ingredients are?

        Probably a scam... that's why they keep changing names so you wouldn't be able to find reviews on the Internet.
        They've been in business for 45 and no one has wrote a review yet??

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        • Tracy C
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2011
          • 3083

          #5
          Originally posted by 2020
          Probably a scam... that's why they keep changing names so you wouldn't be able to find reviews on the Internet.
          I tend to agree.

          Concerning laser therapy though, I have had good experience with it. Maybe what the laser comb does is more appreciable to women than to men though. I'm not sure. But yes, you can buy it directly from Hairmax. No consultation needed - and certainly no need to buy into a "program".

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          • Hairlover
            Junior Member
            • Feb 2012
            • 8

            #6
            Originally posted by 2020
            ok, this is what they offer:

            hair transplants - transplants don't work so that's useless..

            laser hair therapy - that's just a HairMax laser which is not that effective... You can buy it on your own without going through "consultants".

            hair loss control products - DHT sensor - doesn't list any ingredients... Do you still have a bottle? Can you tell me what the ingredients are?

            Probably a scam... that's why they keep changing names so you wouldn't be able to find reviews on the Internet.
            They've been in business for 45 and no one has wrote a review yet??

            Not sure what you mean by HTs don't work? I know several people with HTs and they look fine.

            I don't have any DHT products, but you can see info about the Ross products at http://www.rosscheveux.com/english/continuite_kits.html.

            Their laser therapy is more intensive than that crappy comb you can buy through other places, I think, although I know very little about lasers and may be wrong about that.

            They haven't kept changing their name, BTW. They did it once, years ago.

            They are emphatically not a scam. They stopped my hair loss and they have tons of customers who have been going there for years. Like I said, I have no stake in their venture, just trying to help people out. I expect people to be skeptical about any talk of a cure for balding. Whether they put stock in what I say ultimately is not important to me.

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            • Tracy C
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2011
              • 3083

              #7
              Originally posted by Hairlover
              They are emphatically not a scam.
              It sure looks like a scam.

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              • 2020
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2012
                • 1513

                #8
                Originally posted by Hairlover
                Not sure what you mean by HTs don't work? I know several people with HTs and they look fine.
                .....
                you have 100K hair. MPB begins and you start losing 6K hairs/year.

                tell me what the hair transplants do to fix this problem ^

                Originally posted by Hairlover
                I don't have any DHT products, but you can see info about the Ross products at http://www.rosscheveux.com/english/continuite_kits.html.
                Vitamin B5... yeah that will help against DHT...


                Originally posted by Hairlover
                Their laser therapy is more intensive than that crappy comb you can buy through other places, I think, although I know very little about lasers and may be wrong about that.
                what do you mean by MORE INTENSIVE? Do they not use the patented HairMax laser? Do they have their own?


                Originally posted by Hairlover
                They haven't kept changing their name, BTW. They did it once, years ago.

                They are emphatically not a scam. They stopped my hair loss and they have tons of customers who have been going there for years. Like I said, I have no stake in their venture, just trying to help people out. I expect people to be skeptical about any talk of a cure for balding. Whether they put stock in what I say ultimately is not important to me.
                and so far we have no proof of that...

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                • Maradona
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 822

                  #9
                  come guys somebody has to say it...we all know what's going on here.

                  new guy with four posts
                  with two posts trying to mention this topic.
                  then making a new thread.
                  then posting a website.

                  add up those things = snake oil sold by a snake.

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                  • Hairlover
                    Junior Member
                    • Feb 2012
                    • 8

                    #10
                    Originally posted by 2020
                    .....
                    you have 100K hair. MPB begins and you start losing 6K hairs/year.

                    tell me what the hair transplants do to fix this problem ^



                    Vitamin B5... yeah that will help against DHT...




                    what do you mean by MORE INTENSIVE? Do they not use the patented HairMax laser? Do they have their own?




                    and so far we have no proof of that...

                    Hey, if you don't believe me, more power to you. No skin off my nose. I will probably get a HT in the next 12 months (not through Transitions but through the doc they recommend). If/when I do, I will be happy to post pics on this forum detailing progress.

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                    • 25 going on 65
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2010
                      • 1476

                      #11
                      I think hair transplants can be a good idea if the patient has stabilized their hair loss with medication. But 2020 is right in the sense that they don't address the cause of genetic alopecia, they just partially reverse its cosmetic effect.

                      As for the clinic in question: from what I've seen, subscription programs at "hair loss clinics" don't provide anything you can't do at home yourself for a fraction of the cost.
                      Their website doesn't mention any proven way to suppress DHT, which makes me a bit suspicious.
                      Hairlover does seem confident that their program worked for him. I wish he had photos documenting his progress though, so we could see for ourselves.
                      If I lived in the area I probably would just stick with my current regimen.

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                      • 2020
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2012
                        • 1513

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Hairlover
                        Hey, if you don't believe me, more power to you. No skin off my nose. I will probably get a HT in the next 12 months (not through Transitions but through the doc they recommend). If/when I do, I will be happy to post pics on this forum detailing progress.
                        you didn't explain how it helps against MPB:

                        .....
                        you have 100K hair. MPB begins and you start losing 6K hairs/year.

                        tell me what the hair transplants do to fix this problem ^
                        ^^^^^^^^^

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                        • Hairlover
                          Junior Member
                          • Feb 2012
                          • 8

                          #13
                          Originally posted by 2020
                          you didn't explain how it helps against MPB:



                          ^^^^^^^^^

                          This will be my last post on the topic. People have extreme skepticism about any hair loss remedies, and justifiably so given the quackery out there. Unfortunately, that tends to poison any chance for a fruitful conversation on the topic. This has been my result in real-life conversations as well, which is why I don't talk any more about it even though I would like to help others, some of them relatives and good friends, deal with the mental distress that hair loss causes.

                          2020, I may have misunderstood your comment re: HTs. I thought you were saying that HTs do not work in the sense that they do not grow new hair in the place the grafts are placed. You probably mean HTs are "useless" in the sense that hair loss if unchecked after a HT will result in a disastrous-looking scalp eventually, which is true if the hair loss continues. No doubt. But hair loss can be stopped, despite what you may think. Even disregarding my regimen (since I can't prove its effectiveness simply by telling my story), Propecia in the case of some guys proves that.

                          In my case, I will recount the facts. My family has extremely pronounced MPB. I started losing hair when I was 19. That hair loss stopped when I went on the regimen. For 14 years, I lost virtually no hair, except for the brief period of time I departed from the regimen. My younger male relatives started losing hair at approximately the same age I did and the same age my dad did, and now show severe hair loss. In contrast, I had a mild NW 1 as of a year ago (due to hair loss at 19), and even with the terrible damage Differin has done, am no more than a NW 2 now. I find these facts to be enormously probative on the claim that this regimen stops hair loss, unless there is some sort of monster placebo effect affecting me.

                          Re: why the shampoos/tonics are effective, I couldn't even try to answer that question. I have no background in chemical/biomedical engineering or medicine, but rather have only the same general knowledge about DHT and the balding process that all people on hair loss sites have. My intention in making my OP was not to marshal evidence to get this regimen through the FDA approval process, but simply to provide information on something that has worked extremely well for me.

                          As I said, I will probably get a HT at some point in the next year, although that is contingent on the Differin-related hair loss stopping at some point. The HT will probably set me back at least 7K. I would not dream of dropping that money if I thought there was a chance the hair loss would continue. In short, if I get a HT, it will be me putting my money where my mouth is when it comes to faith I have in my regimen, which will be further strengthened by lasers/Propecia. If I got the HT route, people will be able to judge with their own eyes whether my confidence in my regimen was warranted. If I get good results, people can judge for themselves how much is attributable to lasers/propecia and how much is attributable to my long-standing regimen.

                          Good luck to everyone in addressing their hair loss.

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                          • 2020
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 1513

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Hairlover
                            This will be my last post on the topic. People have extreme skepticism about any hair loss remedies, and justifiably so given the quackery out there.
                            not at all.... if people were that skeptic, all those snake oils and "hair consultation" clinics wouldn't make money...

                            People on this forum are skeptic because you have no proof to back this up


                            Originally posted by Hairlover
                            Re: why the shampoos/tonics are effective, I couldn't even try to answer that question. I have no background in chemical/biomedical engineering or medicine, but rather have only the same general knowledge about DHT and the balding process that all people on hair loss sites have.
                            I just wanted to know the ingredients... since you use their products, I hoped you could just read off the ingredients listed.

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