The Big 3

[macrylinda]

Damn this was very usful reading THANKS, feel better already now that i understand.
Cant believe this is not explained on the prescription of the drug.

Just got one thought out of this..
you must look at what is left on the scalp. That is where it counts..
yes but since my shedding started my vetrex of thin hair has increased alot. But i guess this is only is the first fase, the new hairs will be larger so the nex shedding bot be noticied on the scalp as much. Right?


And the really qurius question.. if a person stop the treatment after shedding alot, will lost the hair grow back but equally thin or will the lost hair that "shedded" be gone for ever??

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[ProAntix]

My Results

Hi Guys,

I read this forum over two years ago and since then have been following the "The Big 3" daily routine. Very happy with my results (image attached). Definitely stops thinning out and IMO slows down a receding hair-line too. Give it a go!

Regards,
Mark.

[crowningglory]

This is a really helpful read!

I don't think Dutasteride can "replace" Finasteride when it comes to results. Min + Fin + Niz really make wonders. And yes, don't overuse Nizoral as it can cause more damage than harm.

[andycanon]

Very interesting read..
i went on to read more in dept after..

I am only doing one of there 3 things and that the shampoo part..
With all the reading i did, it seems that by stopping the formation of DHT we are in a way turning into women, you nipples seems to get bigger , but in the other way it looks like the more DHT we have the bigger your prostate seems to get..
It almost looks like that everyone has to find the rite balance in all this..
Its so complicated to figure out.. as i had looked at the natural way oF stopping DHT, but as we do this then the estrogen will eventually take over making men more sensitive etc.. as i was looking into saw palmetto.. but had some breast tenderness review as a side effect, but then in the other hand propecia seems to have a no libido effect in some cases..
I just dont understand when we are say in out teens.. and are probably horney lest say.. hehe like dogs some times as i know now with girls i go out with i am far more chilled out than when i was younger i was all over them but why if we had all this testosterone, why didn't our heir fall back then?? and it is now??
a part of me is thinking, if i was able to get that sexual energy back that i had when i was younger would your hair come back too or cells be active? not that i have any problems in that way, but there is a difference in general.

Just trying to understand the science about it all.. as many people talk about DHT, but when one actually goes into in dept reading its almost like a mile long road full of other potential causes.

[blakes33]

Chris:

If you stop a medical treatment, you will end up where you would have been if you had never used that treatment at all. You will lose all Rogaine benefits within a few months, while it will take one or two years to lose Propecia benefits.

If you stop your Rogaine now, after shedding but before regrowth, you should expect to regrow the shed hairs over the next few months, and return to where you were before you started it.

Sincerely,

Thanks for that post about what happens after stopping. I am wondering for the typical man who has been taking propecia 10 + years, how soon after stopping would you expect hairloss to begin/resume?

If it truly takes 6 months or more, would it make sense to take the drug for 6 months on and then 6 months off?

[DepressedByHairLoss]

Holy crap, those results demonstrated by ProAntix are absolutely amazing. I have never seen the so-called Big 3 produce results even close to that! Wow, if those 3 treatment consistently produced those kinds of results, I'd be on them non-stop! I hope that ProAntix still frequents these message boards because I'd love to ask him about his regimen, because those results are downright astounding! I'd like to know everything about his hair regrowth regimen because I'd give anything for those kind of results. Specifically: how often did he use minoxidil and finasteride and nizoral? And what else he did to achieve that remarkable regrowth. Hell, those results are even better than most hair transplants!

[Spex]

GREAT stuff! Well done for getting on appropriate treatments and catching it

You clearly responded very well and really chuffed for you well done!!!!!!

Best
Spex

[clandestine]

Seriously need an alternative to propecia that does not cause sexual sides..

[blakes33]

Yeah, but what about 2 posts up.... 6 months on, then 3 or 6 months off?

[Xandroxuser]

The Big Three

I have been a ******* 15 and fin user for 7 years and, since the closure of Dr Lee am seeking a replacement for the *******.

Mostly, I am seeking the sort of sensible advice that this thread provides in abundance. Spex, in particular (together with Dr Haber) talks the sort of language I associate with professionalism and the Dr Lee approach - realistic and evidence-based, insofar as we have the evidence.

I an allergic to PG - which was what led me to Dr Lee after several years on Regaine 2%, the 5%.

I intend to add Nizoral 1% and see how I get on with that.

My big problem is whether to go with one of the easily available ******* type 15% - minoxidil and azeliac acid - solutions - easily available on the internet, that is. Mostly the reports of these products on internet forums are not good - but to be fair many talk of what might be temporary shedding, they experience with these products. However, I have yet to read a glowing report from people looking for a ******* 15 replacement. Also, the way some of these companies seem to scam their products spooks me.

Or should I go with Rogaine foam? Again, there are scary postings of more or less continuous sheds with the foam, which lead many to go back to the liquid - no good for me, because of the PG.

Your advice would be most appreciated.

I would be very keen to privately email Dr Spex. Or, indeed, mention by name internet alternative 15%'s, on this thread, if that was appropriate.

[DepressedByHairLoss]

Seriously need an alternative to propecia that does not cause sexual sides..

And we definitely need a better hair regrowth stimulant than minoxidil, which doesn't cause any type of meaningful regrowth on most people. That guy ProAntix just had totally amazing results that I've frankly never ever seen before.

[Xandroxuser]

The Big Three

I am taking the liberty of posting this on this - more relevant - thread. It would be good to get the views of experts such as Spex and Dr Haber, as well as the views of experienced users of the relevant products. It raises issue of importance to many of us.
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[QUOTE=Tracy C;46575]Higher dose [of minoxidil] does not equate to more effectiveness. Higher dose does equate to increasing the probability of experiencing negative sides effects.

Here in the U.S., the highest dose you can get through legitimate channels and without a prescription is 5%. There is probably a very good reason for that. It is most likely to achieve a more acceptable side effect profile.


Tracy, I have followed many of your postings, as a newby to the site - and am broadly in agreement with much of your - in the main - mainstream advice. However, I wondered how you deal with the the fact that so many 'swear by' Dr Lee's products (the defunct - since March - regrowth.com). I believe Spex posted and said many of his patients say the same thing about the value of Dr Lee's products, incidentally.

I, for one, am running around like a headless chicken looking for advice on what to use to substitute for his ******* 15. Many of us used this for up to 10 years, having been advised to move to it from ******* 5 by Dr Lee - given our particular circumstances.

As you may know, the FDA closed his operation in March. I developed an allergy to PG which was what led me to Dr Lee, in the first place - after using over the counter Regaine. I do take fin, I may start Nizoral 1%.

Irrationally, or not, to switch to 5% Regaine foam, twice a day - from ******* 5 and ******* 15 (probably the 'mainstream' advice?) seems more scary than to go with something like Dualgen - 5 and 15 (minoxidil max). With the minox, there is 5% azeliac acid - not proven, of course, in all these products.

Those anti-Lee often explain his apparent 'success' by saying it was the first rate minoxidil that he used that was most responsible. Also, for someone like me, his professional and 'realistic' approach eventually led me to trust both him and his products.

I would be very glad of your view. I'm assuming you know, too, that minoxidil.solutions which purported to take over his operation around July - ceased trading in December. There are mixed views on the efficacy of their product; their legitimacy, and their operation, in general. Either way, it is irrelevant now because they have gone.

Your advice would be most appreciated. Although, to be honest, I think I picked up from other postings of yours that you were not very knowledgable about Dr Lee - there were certain inaccuracies in the general thread. I found this rather surprising when so many in the MPB community rated him and his products so highly.

It would be good to hear from you.

[Tracy C]

I think I picked up from other postings of yours that you were not very knowledgable about Dr Lee...

I know of Dr. Lee through folks who have been harmed from using his formulas. What you read on the web is not "the grand scheme of things" so to speak. You are only getting a small part of the whole picture.

There is a reason "providers" such as you mention have been shut down - and will continue to be shut down in the future. It is not a conspiracy. The FDA has a job to do. Part of that job is to shut down operations that wantonly sell products that can cause harm.

[Xandroxuser]

The Big Three

I know of Dr. Lee through folks who have been harmed from using his formulas. What you read on the web is not "the grand scheme of things" so to speak. You are only getting a small part of the whole picture.

There is a reason "providers" such as you mention have been shut down - and will continue to be shut down in the future. It is not a conspiracy. The FDA has a job to do. Part of that job is to shut down operations that wantonly sell products that can cause harm.

I appreciate this is a rather delicate matter. Do we know why he was shut down? Do we have any evidence for the reasons? 'Wantonly sell products that can cause harm' is quite a strong statement.

[Tracy C]

It is a strong statement. Unfortunately there are operations who are doing just that, especially in the hair loss market. I do not know exactly why the "provider" you mention was shut down. Since I know of people who have been harmed using those formulas, I suspect it is likely because people have been harmed.