Male Pattern Baldness Cured

[doke]

By the way we all swear and get angry with people,i do not think it is a good idea to do this to posters on the bald truth forum and many forums have mods to stop this,we are lucky here that you can say things so lets stop the swearing please?

[doke]

The lady that asked about dht blockers for woman i have heard that propecia has been presribed to some and that it can help with minox as well in combo.
As to the Latisse hair loss trials hair was regrown back on stumptail monkeys as they and other species suffer mpb.
This thread seems to go on and as to the mas causes hair loss i do not think so,although in semen there is a lot of zinc and that combined with sea kelp and minox i was at six months getting some hair regrowth.
Its worth taking 15mgs a day of zinc+some 400mgs two a day of kelp tablets which are quite cheap and combine with topical minox and propecia for at least six to twelve months.

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But he stated a natural CURE.... how can you even begin to class exercise and a healthy diet as a natural cure? LOL. Just hilarious, don't even know why I'm replying lol.

This is probably a language issue (I'm assuming English is not the OP's first language), and depends on one's definition of a 'cure'. I'm not going by the title of the thread, just by the content/ideas in it. Whatever you want to call it, if someone tells you to do these specific exercises, consume these nutrients, and don't do too much of these exercises, or consume too much of this type of food, and your problem will go away, or drastically reduce, as much if not more so than taking a drug. I'm not going to suddenly say to them, "Sorry, but since your regime doesn't come with a pill, I'm not going to follow it to sort my problem out".

Is smoking cessation the solution to lung cancer?

A lot of researchers years ago believed lung cancer could be reduced to a handful of people per nation if they just quit smoking.... until they discovered the link between lung cancer and radon gas.

Put that in yer pipe an smoke it.

Are you suggesting that smoking DOES NOT cause lung cancer?

Listen, no one is saying that if you stop wanking you won't go bald. No one is saying that if you stop lifting heavy weights you won't go bald. Or that if you stop having a high fat 'western' diet you won't go bald. We're just saying that we think these are contributory factors towards Male Pattern Baldness (due to the testosterone connection). Just as smoking increases one's chance of getting cancer (even if Radon gas also increases one's chance of getting cancer).

Your argument is saying, "I'm gonna pick up a gun and shoot myself in the face, because guns are not the only thing that kill people. There is a link between death and knives".

Nothing is black and white. There is no silver bullet that will make the same problem go away for everyone experiencing that problem. But there is always going to be something that will help reduce that problem for some people. Maybe you tried some of these ideas and they didn't work for you. Well I'm sorry to hear that, maybe you're too hyper and are too stressed, so your testosterone is going through the roof.

[HairyHair]

Okay so he said [almost] every disease - so what can and can't natural cures actually cure? Is there a specific 'do/don't' list? LOL Green tea and lavender oil can cure hayfever and diabetes but not cancer and heart disease? What the ****? I love how "confident" he appears in this comment aswel, as if he REALLY knows the plants and herbal jungle bullshit drugs that cure some diseases but not others - oh please tell us all what cures you have! PLEASE WE ARE DYING TO KNOW!!!!



But he stated a natural CURE.... how can you even begin to class exercise and a healthy diet as a natural cure? LOL. Just hilarious, don't even know why I'm replying lol.

Is smoking cessation the solution to lung cancer?

A lot of researchers years ago believed lung cancer could be reduced to a handful of people per nation if they just quit smoking.... until they discovered the link between lung cancer and radon gas.

Put that in yer pipe an smoke it.

I agree with top to the extend that there are natural alternatives to literally every disorder. Drugs often are "tailor made" by a process called rational drug design meaning that the compound fits to the receptor in question like the key to the keyhole. Those compounds usually are synthesized artificially and can have fast and impressive results. And often this is the solution to go...if fast and impressive results are needed (e.g. cancer). However, those chemical compounds are not used to the complex biochemistry within the human body and long-term they are often accompanied by serious side-effects. Some go as far and argue EVERY artificial chemical compound, exposed to the human body, ultimately leads to side-effects and results achieved come for a price. In principal almost every chemical compound can be mimicked by a less intrusive biological (i.e. natural) compound. There are databases that list all bio-mimicks (e.g. the natural/biological mimick of aspirine)...same would be possible for finasteride or minoxidil. Problem is that most of those biological compounds are not extracted/discovered...they may lie somewhere in the rainforest or bottom of the ocean...experts estimate that only a fraction of a percent has been isolated and argue that nature does not know any limits in terms of biodiversity of biological/natural compounds...
Personally I like the thought of a long-term, safe natural treatment (even if it comes with the less impressive results in the beginning)

[UK_]

If you want to get pedantic he actually said:

"The simple fact is that there is a natural solution to almost every medical problem that exists and if we dont have one then it has not been found yet."

Not every post is Black and White. Take the good from a post, discard the rest, and then enrich it with your own wisom. Instead of discarding the entire post due to one or two faults, and raining on the guy's parade..

Okay so he said [almost] every disease - so what can and can't natural cures actually cure? Is there a specific 'do/don't' list? LOL Green tea and lavender oil can cure hayfever and diabetes but not cancer and heart disease? What the ****? I love how "confident" he appears in this comment aswel, as if he REALLY knows the plants and herbal jungle bullshit drugs that cure some diseases but not others - oh please tell us all what cures you have! PLEASE WE ARE DYING TO KNOW!!!!

Is Liposuction the solution to obesity? Is a Kidney dialysis machine the solution to Kidney problems. Is Insulin shots the solution to diabetes?...

But he stated a natural CURE.... how can you even begin to class exercise and a healthy diet as a natural cure? LOL. Just hilarious, don't even know why I'm replying lol.

Is smoking cessation the solution to lung cancer?

A lot of researchers years ago believed lung cancer could be reduced to a handful of people per nation if they just quit smoking.... until they discovered the link between lung cancer and radon gas.

Put that in yer pipe an smoke it.

[auglen]

Guys, 95% of things that are being said anywhere are not accurate or outright false. It's just how it is. Proving even seemingly simple things often takes enormous amounts of time.
It's likely BackwardsBalding is completely wrong, it's likely people behind histogen are completely wrong it's likely so much other people that seem to be close to the truth are completely wrong.
But damn, if you want to come up with anything you just have to make those uncertain assumptions. That's the only way you can come up with something new.
Most of things ALL of us write here will probably be proven wrong or inaccurate one day. But you know what? If we never came together and wrote those things we would be even less likely to prove them wrong. And proving things wrong often gives us other insight.

So DO point out every single logical error, please do, just don't be an ass that personally insults for no reason, this way you're only discouraging people that are actually doing something, they are doing no harm to you. And some of you are acting as if they were trying to hurt you.

[Hurts]

OK i've decided this thread is actually 92% bullshit and 8% truth in that wanking may have helped with MPB progression but no where near as much as the OP and some others think, and I put my own MPB mainly down to weight lifting and follicles that are unable to deal with the extra DHT.

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He's not right.

He stated there is a natural cure for EVERY disease, which is just a laughable comment.

If you want to get pedantic he actually said:

"The simple fact is that there is a natural solution to almost every medical problem that exists and if we dont have one then it has not been found yet."

Not every post is Black and White. Take the good from a post, discard the rest, and then enrich it with your own wisom. Instead of discarding the entire post due to one or two faults, and raining on the guy's parade.

Is Liposuction the solution to obesity? Is a Kidney dialysis machine the solution to Kidney problems. Is Insulin shots the solution to diabetes?... Or would a better approach be to limit excessive eating of crappy food, don't binge drink, don't have excessive sugar in your diet. In these cases I'd rather the prevention, than these 'cures'.

He also made a comment regarding "the east" - it's a fair observation but I doubt he could pull up any evidence to prove a link between their lifespans and their "herbal medicine culture". Also, as Eastern nations industrialise, what part of that culture do you think will be kept when their people are facing cancer, heart disease and alzheimer’s? Do you think Britain kept it's Anglican medicinal treatments? lol.

I wonder how the modern NHS fairs against the health system during the Victorian age lol.

And RichardDawkins noted the most important aspect here - the fact that Europe industrialised before the east.

On a side note, I've seen a few of those Chinese herbal shops about in city centres here, I used to have a chuckle when I walked past about the kind of diseases they claimed to cure, and yeah, one actually claimed to cure cancer.

This is probably going to descend into an East Vs West showdown. But you do know that the Chinese civilisation is one of the oldest civilisations, and that for 18 of the past 20 centuries, China has had the world's largest economy. And now, for the past 50 years, China is on target to reclaim that place.

Although the western world is advanced in many areas, mostly the technological. It doesn't mean that we should assume that we're the most advanced in all areas of knowledge. We're less spiritual and understanding of such "energies", things like prayer. If we can't explain it with our knowledge of science, then it's hocus pocus. The mind is a powerful thing, for a lot of these alternative medicines I do think it's a kind of placebo effect. If you believe that the treatment will cure you, then your mind will do the work. But if you have doubts, then it'll do nothing.

I personally admit, that I am too quite a skeptic. But can't rule out there being any truth in such things.

[UK_]

He's not right.

He stated there is a natural cure for EVERY disease, which is just a laughable comment.

He also made a comment regarding "the east" - it's a fair observation but I doubt he could pull up any evidence to prove a link between their lifespans and their "herbal medicine culture". Also, as Eastern nations industrialise, what part of that culture do you think will be kept when their people are facing cancer, heart disease and alzheimer’s? Do you think Britain kept it's Anglican medicinal treatments? lol.

I wonder how the modern NHS fairs against the health system during the Victorian age lol.

And RichardDawkins noted the most important aspect here - the fact that Europe industrialised before the east.

On a side note, I've seen a few of those Chinese herbal shops about in city centres here, I used to have a chuckle when I walked past about the kind of diseases they claimed to cure, and yeah, one actually claimed to cure cancer.

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I don't know why you guys rip the piss out of BackwardsBalding. You can only fault him for being a little too optimistic.

Of course he is right in the saying that there are natural solutions to a lot of the problems we have in the west. Or more appropriately, natural solutions to avoiding a lot of the problems we have:

Obesity: Some people are genetically more prone to obesity to others. But if these people are careful with their diet (don't eat too much of the wrong food), then they'll get fat. Simple!

Tooth Decay: If we were all diligent with our diet, not eating so many sweets, and forgetting to brush our teeth. The Dentists would only get half as much as work.

Diabetes: Again, some people are genetically more prone to getting diabetes. But if these people are careful with their diet. They'll likely avoid it.

The list goes on and on. And in most cases it's our diet which determines these things. Only our genes dictate our likelihood of falling ill to these things. But in most cases, 100% of the population are at risk, just at varying levels.

We all eventually lose our hair. Men and Women.

If the balding rate has risen in countries like Japan, due to adopting a western diet. Then, although it may not indicate that there is a natural solution for everyone who suffers premature baldness, and may not even prevent anyone going bald. There will be a significant proportion of those at risk of balding, delaying the onset. Which is important to note.

I'm sure there are a lot of people on this forum that wish they started balding 10 or even just 5 years later. So they'd have more of their 'good years' with a full set of hair on their head.

I tell you. I had some great sex yesterday. Four times, with two different women. I don't know whether sex, masturbation, being aroused, or ejaculating is the silver bullet, that kills hair follicles. I'm sure other things are equally, if not more contributing (diet, exercise, stress). But I do think that anything that alters testosterone levels will have an impact on Male Pattern Baldness.

Those on the threshold, may be able to lower their testosterone a little, just enough to halt, or significantly slow their hair loss. For others, there may be no hope, short of castration. Simply because their testosterone is naturally too high, or their hair's DHT thresholds are too low.

If I can keep the majority of my hair on my head to the point where people can tell that I have a receding hair line, but don't think "Oh god he's bald". Till I'm around age 40. I don't really care. At age 40, I'm going to be trying to convince people (or women) that I could be in my late teens/early 20's.

[RichardDawkins]

Good god we use the term Cure losely we could also say solution but this word is to long and could be mistaken with storge solution or anything else.

You say its reversable, i agree with that, but thats a cure. Everything in disorder if it gets fixed is cured or healed or whatever.

Of course people in easter cultures have less health conditions, BECAUSE THEY HAVE ANOTHER LIFE STYLE and sometimes dont even live as long as we

But wait, from which ****rys come stuff like chicken flu etc? Dont give the answer we already know.

Good lord Backwardthinking instead of Balding.

First its spanking the monkey and now natural remedies. Even some Dr Cole from somewhere got donor multiplication with "primitive" tools and you tell me stuff about nature and wanking off.

Hair loss is genetically manifested and therefore need gnetical ideas to approach. And those deas are Stem cells, the only cells to fight genetic disorders because they are the fundamentals here

[BackwardsBalding]

That's the most idiotic, simple-headed thing that's thus far been said in this thread. Good work topping yourself.

Tell that to Eastern Medicine with less then half the health problems we have and twice as many alternative medicines that attack the problem not hide the affect. I feel sorry for people like you so blinded by western medicine. Good luck with your hairloss I really hope the best for you its not your fault you been lied to your hole life.

[HairTalk]

The simple fact is that there is a natural solution to almost every medical problem that exists and if we dont have one then it has not been found yet.

That's the most idiotic, simple-headed thing that's thus far been said in this thread. Good work topping yourself.

[BackwardsBalding]

Sorry I disagree.

Last part of your statement UK is correct you hit the spot dead on.

I could not disagree more. The cure for baldness is simple. There is no cure. Even my own title to this thread contradicts the a simple fact. Baldness is not a desease and thus can not be cured. Its a hormonal imbalance that is both controlable and reversable. It wont take transplants or anything like that. It will eventually be a pill that will keep your hair but like most pills in this country will end up causing more bad then good. The simple fact is that there is a natural solution to almost every medical problem that exists and if we dont have one then it has not been found yet.

[BackwardsBalding]

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lol

I might play hangman.

@OP - People have sought and sought and sought to control their hormones in an effort to combat baldness; green tea, aloe vera, saw palmetto, ginger, garlic, Nettle Root, Dong Quai, honey & lemon, sleeping on the floor, increasing B vitamins, tackling poly-ion channels (TRX2), VEGF growth factor 5 trillion - the list is ****ing endless....

I hardly doubt after all this people failed to realise masturbation and sex was the cause of it all -

There are whacky "cures" for all kinds of diseases out there - hayfever (acupuncture arm bands, honey tea, nasal lavender pollen barriers) - they all have one thing in common - NONE OF THEM WORK - and if they do work they don't work very well or for long -

Hair loss is a GENETIC PROBLEM - it requires a GENETIC CURE through GENE THERAPY or CELL MULTIPLICATION or HAIR MULTIPLICATION, like dividing an organ in two and hoping they both heal into full organs.

When they "cure" hair loss, they'll be growing new hearts, livers and kidneys for the elderly in the lab - is it any coincidence that while we are seeing such a phenomenal advancement in holistic organ cell reproduction and understanding we are also seeing a similar growth in understanding and developments in the hair loss field?

UK,

I understand in the past you have taken a lot of what I say to heart. I also understand how hard the struggle of hair loss has been for you the same it has for almost everyone who experiences it. What you need to understand is science especially Western Science has no clue to why most of the problems we have are really happening. Mostly all they do is cover up the physical responses to terrible health problems with pills that do little more then hide the true problem at hand. We both can agree that hormones are the problem with MPB. As a matter of fact we can both agree excessive DHT in the Dermal Papilla is what is causing hair loss. This is common knowledge. The only thing that I am stating as new information is that DHT is mostly being produced in the prostate through an ejaculation. As a matter of fact Western Science will confirm that they find High levels of DHT in the prostate. So really the only thing that science even states different on the subject is they believe some magical unknown reaction happens within the tiny little hair follicle that converts Testosterone in Dihydrotestoerone. Even more strange is there belief that each hair follicles is "predisposed" individually to DHT just ironically at different rates and only on top of the head until later in life. You don't find all this a little strange. Even more strange are the numerous ironic links I point out in my original post. Look back at my original post, read more into hair loss and you will see the explanations I for free gave to all of you are at the very least more logical then anything being taught in Western Society.