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  • VulcanLogic
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2011
    • 1

    Originally posted by ResearchNeverfails
    Read all of the following.
    OK I have read quite a bit of your material and certainly enough to get the gist of your proposition. You are quite correct on one point androgenic alopecia should not be considered a 'desease' nor should it be considered a disease.

    As to the rest of your material I would say this is a perfect example of dicto simpliciter (look it up) and a healthy infusion of misinformation.

    Your initial preamble (ramblings) are full of inaccuracies, here are a few examples to correct you.

    * Not all androgenic alopecia (AA) starts at the temples or crown.

    * Not all AA progresses to a full crown (bald head) loss.

    * Contrary to 'your' belief science actually knows only a small fraction of the complex mechanism that results in AA.

    * We don't know for certain that DHT is the main cause of hair loss, we do know that it appears that DHT is part of the mechanism involved. However even if DHT is integral it could for example be more to do with receptor site rather than DHT.

    * We don't know if DHT is excessive in both the scalp and the blood stream in the majority of cases of AA and in fact there is no hard evidence to draw a cause and effect relationship as DHT levels can be identical in those with and those without AA, in fact it could be that the enzyme 5α-reductase is the culprit rather than DHT.

    * Other mammals do have plenty of incidences of AA, notably the male Tsavo lions, dogs, macaques, and even our closest primate species the chimpanzee.

    * Both the big cats, domesticated cats and host of other species will suffer from alopecia and a host of other health issues related to a nutrient deficient diet.

    * We do not know that AA is caused by a hormonal 'in balance' (imbalance) in fact there is very little to support that those with men with AA have significantly different hormonal levels to those without AA.

    * Some women do suffer with AA this appears to occur as oestrogen levels decline with age which has lead to the hypothesis that oestrogen has a protective role and as it declines women hair follicles are exposed to DHT leading to AA in a similar way to men. Though I stress this is unproven.

    * Logically women and men are not exposed to the same gene pool, as a result of the 'XY' chromosomes vs 'XX', hence the reason we have sex linked diseases.

    * There is absolutely no evidence that the prostate is the 'single cause for hair loss' nor have I seen any credible evidence to make such an assumption, the prostate is however regulated by DHT which is synthesized in the prostate, testes, hair follicles, and adrenal glands by the enzyme 5α-reductase.

    * There is no credible evidence to suggest that ejaculation has anything other than a transitory effect on DHT, in fact if we take your own results on face value your DHT level actually fell below the pre ejaculation level a short time after. And once again I stress that there is no credible evidence that those with AA have significantly different serum DHT levels to those without it.

    * There is evidence of a potential increase in both benign prostatic hyperplasia and cancer of the prostate in those with low levels of sexual activity (ejaculation), you may like to think of this as clearing the pipes if you like.

    Overwhelmingly the evidence is that AA is a genetically determined outcome, we can see evidence of this all around us in our groups of family and friends. The mere fact that such a high percentage of men will experience AA is sufficient to conclude that it is a natural process that most will experience to a greater or lesser degree.

    Whilst we all may like to delay the loss of a youthful appearance lets not lose perspective and engage in silly and potentially unhealthy self abuse.

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    • clandestine
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2011
      • 2002

      /thread.
      +1

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      • 67mph
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2010
        • 216

        I hope this is the final nail in the coffin for this thread.

        Educated info that sounds perfectly and understandably logic, nice one VulcanLogic, a homerun with your first post perhaps!

        57mph

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        • AnsbachKid
          Junior Member
          • Jan 2012
          • 2

          VulcanLogic, wonderful sane info, only one thing left out...

          RNF also said ejaculation in itself furthered the continuation of hair loss because of the expenditure of nutrients important for hair production... Which I must say, if this were true, a large portion of athletes, especially marathonners and lifters, would be bald...

          So, RNF, seriously, learn to choose carefully about what you read, and just because it's on the internet, doesn't mean it's right or true... Wikipedia... Because even many newspaper articales are false... so just be careful what you read...

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          • Bald Dude
            Member
            • Aug 2011
            • 32

            pics yet./

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            • ramini
              Junior Member
              • Jan 2012
              • 4

              My opinion

              Hey buddy I think of your theory this way I am not sure if this is right but if you were born genetically to have hair loss in some point or another in your life then that means your genes are sensitive to DHT hormones and believe it or not I bet they are people in this world who are sex sick and love to just paint the wall with their sperm but they dont go bald so what do you make of that. so I think DHT is produced by sperm production but not always the hair gets affected by DHT so it all depends on your genes if they are messed up then that has nothing to do with sex drive and I do beleive that there's a link between sex and hair lost because if there wasnt then why would Propecia affect your sex drive but it all again depends on if your hair follicle genes are sensitive to DHT or not and also there has been a billions of dollar industry behind researching against MPB so how could you figure all of this out by your self but all of this high dollar scientist couldn't up to date?

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              • cornwellsb
                Junior Member
                • Jan 2012
                • 2

                I actually got caught up reading this a few months ago which took almost a day and it was very entertaining. There may be a little scientific evidence behind this but only a small amount.

                I'm very very sexually active where I've been getting off at least twice a day for 25 or more years and I just now started losing a small amount of hair (bald spot) in my late 40's.

                I think the author of this stated that no animal goes bald in the wild because they don't ejaculate like humans. This person should go watch animal planet more!! There are quite a few primates on our planet that ejaculate hourly while awake and never go bald.

                FYI John F Kennedy was believed to be a sex addict and he had great hair.

                Russel brand and charlie sheen are both sex addict and also have great hair although they both could have had hair transplants.

                My father went almost completely bald and my mom used to gripe that he didn't give her enough sex and it wasn't because she was ugly. Maybe he was secretly gay or jerking off too much but i doubt it lol.

                I had a lot of those ah ha!! moments in college too and even thought i figured out how to solve the worlds energy problems but then i realized lt was just the pot i was smoking.

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                • sausage
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 1063

                  Originally posted by ResearchNeverfails
                  Like I said its produced in the prostate and on rare occasions some people may be producing DHT at naturally to high of level at a younge age were you turned on alot very easily even an erection prompts the prostate to begin secreating fluids. Just the fact that you lost your hair at 16 says something was not functioning correctly thats really younge for anybody to begin loseing there hair. Propecia would be benifical in reducing the size and secretions for people in your case. And if you began using it and it helped with out ejaculatons I would bet if you started ejaculating it would counter the affects and you would continue slowly but surely loseing your hair.
                  I started losing my hair at 16 too, its nothing to do with something not functioning correctly, we are just the ones cursed with mpb at such a young age, i am sure some people start balding even earlier, there are a few ppl my age that started balding in their teens.

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                  • clandestine
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 2002

                    Originally posted by sausage
                    I started losing my hair at 16 too, its nothing to do with something not functioning correctly, we are just the ones cursed with mpb at such a young age, i am sure some people start balding even earlier, there are a few ppl my age that started balding in their teens.
                    sausage; I'm disappointed you revived this thread. Please try to refrain from posting in here, it only serves to spread misinformation.

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                    • doke
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 1464

                      you guys need to get on some sort of topical antiandrogen with topical minox as well.

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                      • Jcm800
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 2614

                        Hey doke, how's it going? Getting any regrowth from the various treatments you try/tried?

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                        • doke
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 1464

                          not really i have just started my old bottle of sinere topical flutagel which is 1% flutamide as in the old sintov study a potant antiandrogen,the reason i have is that its become available again from a web site i found that ships worldwide.
                          Its very interesting that sinere stopped selling there finastagel and flutagel and nanominox a few years ago to the public but a company has started selling it again along with polaris labs new nr10 16% minoxidil and they also stock genhair products.
                          I still think that either ru58841 which can be purchased in powder form and mixed yourself in small batches at 10gs and topical flutamide or other antiandrogens in topical form along with a minox type regrowth agent may be the way to regrow hair.
                          But its still trial and error as to what works for you yourself which is a hassle i have found a seller that offers the ru powder at $280 and that is cheapest i have found and mixed should last a year or more depending on the % you want to achive,i do like the ru more because it is not so much systemic and local in application.
                          You have to remember to seal the ru powder which is in a bag in an airtight container and store in the freezer and as i said take out a small amount to mix a months worth which you need scales to measure the right amount,much of the mixing info is available at other hair sites which are using such as hh and el duterino who is one that has had good success with it to continue.

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                          • Tracy C
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 3083

                            Originally posted by Jcm800
                            Hey doke, how's it going? Getting any regrowth from the various treatments you try/tried?
                            I am more intersted to know if doke has stuck with any one treatment long enough to actually determine if it is doing any good. It does not seem like that is the case. It takes a long time to treat hereditary hair loss. Time that is measured in months and years, not days and weeks. Personally, I think doke is wasting a lot of time and money that would be better spent on the basic proven treatments.

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                            • Tracy C
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 3083

                              You haven't explained any of that anywhere that I have seen. You are very scattered and hard to follow in your postings - and it is now obvious that you don't pay appropriate attention. So calm down. I tell you what. I won't read or respond to anything you post from now on. O.K.

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                              • doke
                                Senior Member
                                • Jun 2009
                                • 1464

                                im sorry but i thought you was winding me up? i have been at this hair loss game for 30 years and still have not found the holy grail i do not want to get like some and say this or that treatment works,but the antiandrogen topical may be the one if we can find the right one with no dodgy side affects.
                                I will delete my comment tracy.

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