S-Equol Topical lotion

[johnnyboots]

Here are products with equol in them. But I seriously doubt that there is enough dosage (especially given the cost) in the facial serum to do you any good and the others would have to be dissolved in ethanol and converted for use as a topical.

http://www.amazon.com/Natures-Sunshi...keywords=equol

http://store.healthysupplements.net/Prostizine-with-equol-p/82.htm

http://www.liquidprofessionalhcg.com/EquolSLIM-p/db-equos.htm

https://www.nuskin.com/en_SE/product.../97003888.html

Thanks,I guess I'll wait cause I don't know shit about dissolving and such.
Why can't someone come out with a equol supplement for hair now ?

[PinotQ]

Could u list where I can purchase pills?and lotion could I use it on scalp ?

Here are products with equol in them. But I seriously doubt that there is enough dosage (especially given the cost) in the facial serum to do you any good and the others would have to be dissolved in ethanol and converted for use as a topical.

http://www.amazon.com/Natures-Sunshi...keywords=equol

http://store.healthysupplements.net/Prostizine-with-equol-p/82.htm

http://www.liquidprofessionalhcg.com/EquolSLIM-p/db-equos.htm

https://www.nuskin.com/en_SE/products/nuskin/ageloc/97003888.html

[johnnyboots]

Just making sure guys are aware of the possible downside. Personally, I am going to wait for some more research on equol regarding it's effect on hair. I have no doubt about equol's ability to almost completely counteract DHT in the scalp (given the right vehicle and dosage) http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...87B557F.f03t03. And while the estrogenic effects of equol on hair are likely very positive as well (http://techtransfer.byu.edu/products...weight-control & http://www.heraldextra.com/news/loca...a199126e0.html) , I've been reading a lot in general about the effects of estrogens on hair and it is a very complicated subject.

Given that oral capsules are now coming available from various sources (at least 3 now), and that it is available in a cosmetic vehicle for skin, I don't think it will be long before someone comes out with a topical.

Could u list where I can purchase pills?and lotion could I use it on scalp ?

[PinotQ]

Hey totally understand but that's the response I got from her, as I said guys maybe if you lot contact her aswell she might consider purchasing outside US, I don't know.

Just making sure guys are aware of the possible downside. Personally, I am going to wait for some more research on equol regarding it's effect on hair. I have no doubt about equol's ability to almost completely counteract DHT in the scalp (given the right vehicle and dosage) http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...87B557F.f03t03. And while the estrogenic effects of equol on hair are likely very positive as well (http://techtransfer.byu.edu/products...weight-control & http://www.heraldextra.com/news/loca...a199126e0.html) , I've been reading a lot in general about the effects of estrogens on hair and it is a very complicated subject.

Given that oral capsules are now coming available from various sources (at least 3 now), and that it is available in a cosmetic vehicle for skin, I don't think it will be long before someone comes out with a topical.

[Jazz1]

I'm not sure that applying soy isoflavones is a good idea. Equol is a metabolite of diadzein, not genistein, and while there is much research that remains to be done, especially as it relates to hair, equol has different mechanisms of action in the body than soy isoflavones. For example,no other compound (including daidzein and genistein) has yet been identified that has selective estrogen action and yet also has the ability to be an antagonist of androgen action. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-equol More importantly with respect to this post, I have read numerous articles drawing the following consclusion: "genistein was shown to decrease hair growth by 60 to 80% when hair follicles isolated from scalp biopsies were treated in culture." http://www.soyconnection.com/newslet...-Skin-Benefits. If one of the lead researchers of equol over the last 20 years is correct in his preliminary research, in vitro, showing that equol appears to have a positive impact on hair follicles, clearly the application of equol and soy isoflavones cannot be considered comparable.

Hey totally understand but that's the response I got from her, as I said guys maybe if you lot contact her aswell she might consider purchasing outside US, I don't know.

[PinotQ]

Right I emailed Susan again and there I no way she can formulate S-Equol due to purchase issues etc.

Here's her response to an alternative;

"So this is an Equol like product that hair loss guys can take by mouth to do the same thing…block DHT without sides.
*
Soy Isoflavones Extract 1000mg

Soy Isoflavones is an isoflavone plant extract standardized to 2.5%-3.5% isoflavones. Each 1000 mg tablet provides the following isoflavones: genistein, genistin, daidzin, daidzein, glycitin and glycitein.
60 Tablets

This is what S-Equol is Jazz….an isoflavone….topically?????? Never tested, no formula available."

I asked if a topical lotion could be formulated her reply;

"Absolutely!*
0.1% *translates to 1mg per dropperful."

So if you guys are interested in this product she could formulate this for you guys?

I'm not sure that applying soy isoflavones is a good idea. Equol is a metabolite of diadzein, not genistein, and while there is much research that remains to be done, especially as it relates to hair, equol has different mechanisms of action in the body than soy isoflavones. For example,no other compound (including daidzein and genistein) has yet been identified that has selective estrogen action and yet also has the ability to be an antagonist of androgen action. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-equol More importantly with respect to this post, I have read numerous articles drawing the following consclusion: "genistein was shown to decrease hair growth by 60 to 80% when hair follicles isolated from scalp biopsies were treated in culture." http://www.soyconnection.com/newslet...-Skin-Benefits. If one of the lead researchers of equol over the last 20 years is correct in his preliminary research, in vitro, showing that equol appears to have a positive impact on hair follicles, clearly the application of equol and soy isoflavones cannot be considered comparable.

[Jazz1]

I would be interested,as long as it doesn't cause any feminizing effects.any word on melatonin product?

Let's see how many people are interested, I'm pretty confident she will add melatonin to her products I will phone her on Monday .

[johnnyboots]

Right I emailed Susan again and there I no way she can formulate S-Equol due to purchase issues etc.

Here's her response to an alternative;

"So this is an Equol like product that hair loss guys can take by mouth to do the same thing…block DHT without sides.
*
Soy Isoflavones Extract 1000mg

Soy Isoflavones is an isoflavone plant extract standardized to 2.5%-3.5% isoflavones. Each 1000 mg tablet provides the following isoflavones: genistein, genistin, daidzin, daidzein, glycitin and glycitein.
60 Tablets

This is what S-Equol is Jazz….an isoflavone….topically?????? Never tested, no formula available."

I asked if a topical lotion could be formulated her reply;

"Absolutely!*
0.1% *translates to 1mg per dropperful."

So if you guys are interested in this product she could formulate this for you guys?

I would be interested,as long as it doesn't cause any feminizing effects.any word on melatonin product?

[Jazz1]

Right I emailed Susan again and there I no way she can formulate S-Equol due to purchase issues etc.

Here's her response to an alternative;

"So this is an Equol like product that hair loss guys can take by mouth to do the same thing…block DHT without sides.
*
Soy Isoflavones Extract 1000mg

Soy Isoflavones is an isoflavone plant extract standardized to 2.5%-3.5% isoflavones. Each 1000 mg tablet provides the following isoflavones: genistein, genistin, daidzin, daidzein, glycitin and glycitein.
60 Tablets

This is what S-Equol is Jazz….an isoflavone….topically?????? Never tested, no formula available."

I asked if a topical lotion could be formulated her reply;

"Absolutely!*
0.1% *translates to 1mg per dropperful."

So if you guys are interested in this product she could formulate this for you guys?

[Jazz1]

I start my haisloss battle with RU alone for 3.5 months. No sides, will give it 1 year to see if it's able for maintenance.
Btw Jazz, have you found other source of S-equol recently.
I would drop RU if I can use s equol.

Hey I'm so sorry I been so busy with work plus always trying to reply to my emails I get less time here on the forums. I'm meaning to call Susan soon to try and push for the topical melatonin I will try my best to see if S-equol can be done. Let me try again to see if anything can be done as she is the one who can formulate S-Equol, plus there's tons of interest so I need to convince her it would help her business as people are interested.

[Reign]

If you're able to get a good product from Kane, please let us know - I would get it from him and try as well.

[Hairismylife]

I would leave RU58841 as last resort!

I start my haisloss battle with RU alone for 3.5 months. No sides, will give it 1 year to see if it's able for maintenance.
Btw Jazz, have you found other source of S-equol recently.
I would drop RU if I can use s equol.

[Jazz1]

I would leave RU58841 as last resort!

[PinotQ]

I haven't purchased from them but it has been independently tested/verified several times over the years with good results every time, by people on different forums.

Thanks Guys!

[Justinian]

Thanks Yes They just replied to my email. Shanghai,China I have a hard time trusting products from China. Do you know why everyone seems to trust Kane so much?

I haven't purchased from them but it has been independently tested/verified several times over the years with good results every time, by people on different forums.