Dr Klein promox patients! Read if you need help.

[sleeme]

Thanks for responding to my questions! I am having a hard time deciding what to use. I stopped Propecia because all my hormone levels are sky high out of range and my doctor told me to stop the medication to see if they return to normal. I am waiting now for the results and its been four weeks since i took the last Propecia 1mg. I have had NO side effects from the drug except for high Testosterone, estrogen, SHBG and for the last year, my doctor thought I had a benign condition of the liver but I recently tested my liver while off Propecia and the tests all came back normal. So now I am thinking Propecia has caused all this. Maybe this is how some people crash after taking the medication for years. They don't know unless they monitor their hormone levels and eventually it all comes crashing down. As of now I want to do something and wanted a topical so I thought maybe the 0.01% topical Finasteride would work. Or maybe mixing Retinoic Acid or Azelaic acid with minoxidil? I also didn't know if I should add progesterone in the topical? I was even thinking of possible micro dosing Propecia. I might respond to it since I think 1mg was a bit much. It just seems like I can't get any advice and don't know who to believe when it comes to hair loss issues. Is it too much to take on a daily basis? Is it dangerous to mix all of those things together? Won't the Retinoic acid eat up your skin and is topical Finasteride with an alcohol base safe and does it work? I read about Hussan and Wong, they are in Canada and they use a lipid base that is not legal in the US.... Thanks for any advice. I know its a lot to take and I have many questions, so I appreciate any information you can give!!

[funkville]

I didn't really have a response to 5%. Was that your first time using minoxidil and you responded really well?

I started with 12.5% from belgravia in London uk. I respond to minoxidil very well. I do fell I should have started lower but I didn't know. The 7.5% respond well to me as I respond well to minoxidil. Maybe go higher.

The best think to do is call up on Tuesday and ask to speak To Susan. She is very knowledgable. On the other hand jazz or k9 can help. Jazz was the person to get her to make the dr klein formula so they have had a working relationship for some time now.

[funkville]

Thanks for responding to my questions! I am having a hard time deciding what to use. I stopped Propecia because all my hormone levels are sky high out of range and my doctor told me to stop the medication to see if they return to normal. I am waiting now for the results and its been four weeks since i took the last Propecia 1mg. I have had NO side effects from the drug except for high Testosterone, estrogen, SHBG and for the last year, my doctor thought I had a benign condition of the liver but I recently tested my liver while off Propecia and the tests all came back normal. So now I am thinking Propecia has caused all this. Maybe this is how some people crash after taking the medication for years. They don't know unless they monitor their hormone levels and eventually it all comes crashing down. As of now I want to do something and wanted a topical so I thought maybe the 0.01% topical Finasteride would work. Or maybe mixing Retinoic Acid or Azelaic acid with minoxidil? I also didn't know if I should add progesterone in the topical? I was even thinking of possible micro dosing Propecia. I might respond to it since I think 1mg was a bit much. It just seems like I can't get any advice and don't know who to believe when it comes to hair loss issues. Is it too much to take on a daily basis? Is it dangerous to mix all of those things together? Won't the Retinoic acid eat up your skin and is topical Finasteride with an alcohol base safe and does it work? I read about Hussan and Wong, they are in Canada and they use a lipid base that is not legal in the US.... Thanks for any advice. I know its a lot to take and I have many questions, so I appreciate any information you can give!!

A lot of the points you bring up I can not respond to but on Retinoic acid I can confirm as I use it everyday on my face (Retin-a) it doesn't eat away at your skin. I also used it with Susan's formula of dr klein and my skin was fine. Your skin peels which is normal. The amount in the topical is soooo small compared to what I use on my face. With my face I use a pea size and I must wear sun block during the day.

[bornthisway]

I started with 12.5% from belgravia in London uk. I respond to minoxidil very well. I do fell I should have started lower but I didn't know. The 7.5% respond well to me as I respond well to minoxidil. Maybe go higher.

The best think to do is call up on Tuesday and ask to speak To Susan. She is very knowledgable. On the other hand jazz or k9 can help. Jazz was the person to get her to make the dr klein formula so they have had a working relationship for some time now.

Being a lot older (30s) I don't consider myself a responder given how much my hair recessed on dutasteride and loss is rather aggressive (losing hair 13+ years). I'm just not sure if I should start on 30% cream with all additives or the 12.5% cream. I'd like to gain ground faster/sooner and the higher percentage seems like if minoxidil will do anything it probably will. K9 mentioned he's older as well and I believe 30% was a game changer for him. I think my situation would be closer to his probably.

I'm considering getting the S5 Cream Plus because of the tempol. It may be an aggressive way to attack this. Also includes alfatradiol and spiro.

[sleeme]

So which of these products do you guys think I should start with. Being off of Propecia now for a month and possibly will try to restart with micro dosing but I am waiting to get hormone levels down to normal. I was going to start with 5 or 7.5% minoxidil but I am skeptical of the other products and the Progesterone. Maybe not take all the products everyday and switch off with minoxidil alone and them with all the products? I wonder how much of the topical Finasteride works in the blood serum and if it works at all. Any experience with these products with not taking the oral Propecia??
Tretinoin (RA) 0.025%
Azelaic Acid 5%
Progesterone 0.25%
Finasteride 0.1%
Hydrocortisone 0.1%
Vitamin E 0.1%
DMI

[k9gatton]

So which of these products do you guys think I should start with. Being off of Propecia now for a month and possibly will try to restart with micro dosing but I am waiting to get hormone levels down to normal. I was going to start with 5 or 7.5% minoxidil but I am skeptical of the other products and the Progesterone. Maybe not take all the products everyday and switch off with minoxidil alone and them with all the products? I wonder how much of the topical Finasteride works in the blood serum and if it works at all. Any experience with these products with not taking the oral Propecia??
Tretinoin (RA) 0.025%
Azelaic Acid 5%
Progesterone 0.25%
Finasteride 0.1%
Hydrocortisone 0.1%
Vitamin E 0.1%
DMI

.1% Finasteride * 1 gram topical = 1 milligram oral Finasteride. They are equal.

topical Finasteride DHT Reduction = ~76% (average).
oral Finasteride DHT Reduction = ~70% (average).

They probably also have the same side effects for PFS, although there's not a lot
of study on that.

Personally I would not recommend supplementing with Tretinoin acid. My scalp
seemed to lose hair when I added it into the mix. (For people who don't know, I
take Minoxidil, Finasteride, Hydrocortisone, and Progesterone in the same
topical solution).

My own personal experience - The Tretinoin burned my scalp.

If anybody doesn't believe me, I will be more than happy to provide photographic evidence.

Also Azelaic Acid is questionable. I really don't take it, so I don't know very much about it.

[sleeme]

so taking it topically is the same as oral? Then more men should use topical if the reduction is higher What about processing through the liver on topical? All this is so confusing.

[k9gatton]

so taking it topically is the same as oral? Then more men should use topical if the reduction is higher What about processing through the liver on topical? All this is so confusing.

That's exactly right. To give you the short answer, marketing for Merk is
the reason it's oral.


In the US, Propecia (1 mg Fin) came out in 1997. At the time, their biggest
competitor was Rogaine (script only).


So to make it look easier for men to use, it was once a day pill versus
twice a day topical Minoxidil.

[sleeme]

Hey just to add even topical finesteride will absorb into your blood stream, just less side effect compared to oral use. Tretinoin AKA retinoids will not eat your skin away, they just remove a thin layer. The percentage used won't cause long term side effects, I have been using it since Dr Klein days, over 3 years now. The good part about using tretinoin it helps counter the skin thinning side effects from Hydocortisone.

Personally Finetseride is your main bullet to saving hair, as mentioned before finesteride is a DHT inhibitor whilst the rest are Anti Angrogen/Growth.

I know Finesteride is the best defense from hair loss but do you think the topical will help work as well? I was told since I am 27 to start with 0.025% topical Finesteride. I have been off Propecia now for 6 weeks with no hair loss yet but I am getting concerned. Do you think I should use any of these products instead or both the minoxidil and topical Finesteride? I also was told to take Propecia in micro doses. HELP! I need advice on what to do or take. Thanks!
Here are the ingredients from the wellness center. I was thinking starting with topical finesteride with no additives or a few of these ingredients like Minoxidil 5%, Azelaic Acid, Tretinoin and maybe the progesterone. I appreciate any help on where to start to keep my hair I have from Propecia using of the last 18 months.

Minoxidil 5% - 30%
Tretinoin (RA) 0.025%
Azelaic Acid 5%
Progesterone 0.25%
Finasteride 0.1%
Hydrocortisone 0.1%
Vitamin E 0.1%
DMI

[sleeme]

Jazz1,

Hope you don't mind another question but when you were using topical Finasteride was that the only treatment you were using? And did it stop your hair loss? If the topical stops side effects then how can it cause hormone levels to be the same as oral? I also saw a You Tube video they said to start with 0.05% topical Finasterdie.

[sleeme]

i can't send or receive messages on my account. Does anyone know why? I sent a message to the webmaster but no response.

[sleeme]

Where do you buy RU58841 or CB-03-01 and what is SS cream? Where do these products come from and what country? I mean are these products safe to use. I am new to all this hair loss stiff and find it all so confusing. I have read so much I don't know what to believe. I have been to several doctors and each one tells me different. I know Propecia is the best defense but I took it for 18 months and my bloodbwork was so sky high that it concerns me to continue for now. That's why I wanted to know of other good treatments to save what I have from propecia and or maybe consider the topical porpecia that is from a compounding pharmacy. Any advice form you guys. I am getting stressed over all this and rally confused.

[funkville]

i can't send or receive messages on my account. Does anyone know why? I sent a message to the webmaster but no response.

I'm not sure also. I was trying to pm doke but there is not option other than aol messages which both needs to have

[bornthisway]

I highly do not suggest 30% unless you have not tried 15%, all depends what you currently use? I combine my 15% mixture with my 5% regaine foam. The price to add all additives remains the same, if you check the previous threads I posted I explained the set prices I done for us forum guys, she also gives 10% discount if you purchase 3 bottles in one go. Also to add only 1ml is required per day, no more! 3 bottles will last 6 months, mine last slightly more as I use 4 squirts to save more money.

I just am on dut. If it's just a pea sized amount at 30% of minox cream, shouldn't the side effect profile be similar to that of 15% cream? I have used up to 5% long ago. The idea of 30% was mostly to target it somewhat aggressively but safely.

[bornthisway]

Btw guys what's the price of 12.5%? I'm still debating whether I'll start low or high.