Dr Klein promox patients! Read if you need help.

[diffuse]

Hey sorry for the late reply, firstly 1mg EOD is sufficient enough to stop DHT and remove any MPB itch associated with DHT.

The shedding is expected so i would not worry to much as any minoxidol application will allow you to go through shedding phases due to cycles. The itchiness could well be associated with tretinoin, is the itchiness in the areas you apply Susan's lotion? Did you experience any itchiness prior to starting any treatments, for example when you was losing hair.

I would not worry too much if the itchiness is associated with tretinoin as this normally subsides, tretinoin normally causes temporary irritation, normally subsides after few months. Ideally you could use coconut oil regular to moisture your scalp, I find this helps counter any irritation associated with tretinoin.

If you experience any side effects try using Horny goat weed and zinc tablets daily, the main key factor is DO NOT stress over any side effects, as any anxiety and stress will make your symptoms worse!

Hey Jazz,
Do you think that Horny goat weed and zinc and l-arginine can help with the sides of finasteride i also consider taking yohimbe? (low libido, hard to maintain erection)

Thanks

[Jazz1]

Lipgaine is daily, but only once at night. I'm not sold that twice a day is effective vs the cons. Regardless of what's going on now it's way better than 2 years ago. Keep you guys in the loop.

Cool I hope it works out for you, anything you do try should be used for a minimum of 6 months .

[Hicks]

I take it you use Lipgaine daily? Only reason I ask is you need an minoxidl application daily. You noticed any changes whilst on your regime?

Lipgaine is daily, but only once at night. I'm not sold that twice a day is effective vs the cons. Regardless of what's going on now it's way better than 2 years ago. Keep you guys in the loop.

[Justinian]

What's your full regime? There's no point using minxodil alone if you suffer from MPB.

I've got everything pretty much planned out. I'm 24 and a NW2.5-3 with diffuse thinning. My main goal is to keep what I have until I'm 30. I've thought about it a lot and what bothers me most is the age at which it's happening to me, not that it's happening in general. Also, by the time I'm 30, I'm confident we will have much better treatments available.

I started Nizoral 5 months ago, and had a PRP session 4 months ago. I've noticed a very slight thickening throughout and a few new terminal hairs at the hairline. I also have a ton of fine hairs in my temples, although I'm not 100% sure they are new ones from my treatments, since I never monitored my hair that closely before the last few months.

My logic is that Minoxidil on average keeps hair above the baseline for ~5+ years, as I have seen studies indicating this is the case. I'm going to use Minoxidil for 4-6 months and then go from there. If it works very well, I will wait it out until better treatments come or just until I am older and may care less about hair loss. If it just works okay and/or I notice my hair getting worse after reaching a peak, I'm going to consider this formula and/or RU. I'm willing to take the risk of not going on a DHT inhibitor for a year as my hairloss is not super aggressive. I may get more PRP treatments too, as I believe they help somewhat, and repeat treatments may help even more.

I know Fin isn't that dangerous and I believe a large percentage of the sides are placebo affect, but I'm still not willing to use it for personal reasons as I do not wish to alter my hormones. I might consider it eventually if I can keep my DHT in the recommended range (I had it measured a month ago and it's right in the middle of the recommended range).

Well that was longer than I expected to write... if you see any holes in my logic I'm willing to re-consider my plan.

[Jazz1]

I missed this reply, thanks for looking into it.

I got a 6 month supply of minoxidil a week or two ago. After that gets close to running out I'll consider getting a prescription for this lotion, depending on my results using just minoxidil. If I'm one of the ~20-30% of super responders I might just stick with normal minoxidil.

What's your full regime? There's no point using minxodil alone if you suffer from MPB.

[Jazz1]

I should clarify I take 1.25 fin 4 days then use Susan's stuff on the days I don't take fin. truthfully it's very hard to see your progress change without pictures. I guess I should start doing that.

I take it you use Lipgaine daily? Only reason I ask is you need an minoxidl application daily. You noticed any changes whilst on your regime?

[Jazz1]

Hey Nave...

I felt compel to reply to you as my first post not only because you're a fellow Torontonian but I had the same issue using the exact same formula last month. I also had itching all over the scalp after using it for a couple of weeks. I stop and it went away. I tried it again second time and itch came back. Susan called me and nicely offered me a 30ml sample with less aggressive ingredients: 10%Minox, 5%AA and .01HC. It's been two weeks and no itch whatsover. I've now waiting to hear back from her whether I need to redo my prescription and if I should add RA and PROG. I don't need FIN because I'm already taking proscar.

Too bad now I have 3 bottles of expensive hair product i can't use...the thing we do to keep our hair.

Good luck Nave...

Sounds like an irritation from Tretinoin/RA, as stated in my previous posts tretinoin is very good for cell renewal and helps counter side effects from Hydocortisone! Normally irritation subsides after a few months, ideally using coconut oil daily helps counter stinging/irritation. I been using tretinoin for 2 years now in the formula, at the start I had irritated/red inflammed skin, after few months I was totally fine and happy with the regrowth .

[Jazz1]

Hey Jazz,

My original regime was just 1mg fin every day. I initially avoided minox due to the mess and not wanting to deal with two applications daily and greasy hair / scalp etc. Also I was scared as I heard that sometimes it isn't very effective for hairlines.

However, after 8 months, I decided I wanted to get off fin. It gave me pretty bad mental side effects - constantly feeling depressed / sad / defeated. This was a hard way to live for me.

I went down to fin twice a week for almost a month and I feel so much better and happy and confident (minus the hair loss). But obviously now i am afraid of my hair falling out more rapidly without the fin.

So now I am back up to 1mg fin EOD. And for about a week now, nightly application of Susan's 15% lotion around my hairline, mixed with:

15% minoxidil
0.1% finesteride
5% azelaic acid
0.025% progesterone
0.25% tretinoin

I have noticed a small shed already beginning and more perpetual itchiness around my hairline.

My question is, do you think this itchiness is from Susan's mixture? Or is it maybe from taking fin less regularly?
Also any recommendations and comments are much encouraged!


Thanks very very much for everything you've done on site and thread!

Hey sorry for the late reply, firstly 1mg EOD is sufficient enough to stop DHT and remove any MPB itch associated with DHT.

The shedding is expected so i would not worry to much as any minoxidol application will allow you to go through shedding phases due to cycles. The itchiness could well be associated with tretinoin, is the itchiness in the areas you apply Susan's lotion? Did you experience any itchiness prior to starting any treatments, for example when you was losing hair.

I would not worry too much if the itchiness is associated with tretinoin as this normally subsides, tretinoin normally causes temporary irritation, normally subsides after few months. Ideally you could use coconut oil regular to moisture your scalp, I find this helps counter any irritation associated with tretinoin.

If you experience any side effects try using Horny goat weed and zinc tablets daily, the main key factor is DO NOT stress over any side effects, as any anxiety and stress will make your symptoms worse!

[Justinian]

There anyway your own Doctor can prescribe you the ingredients and send Susan the script? As The Medical Wellnes Center will not prescribe to anyone in Florida, although Susan will sell to anyone so long as an valid script is provided.

The good news The Medical Wellnes Center will be opening a clinic in Florida, I seriously do not understand these rules?

I missed this reply, thanks for looking into it.

I got a 6 month supply of minoxidil a week or two ago. After that gets close to running out I'll consider getting a prescription for this lotion, depending on my results using just minoxidil. If I'm one of the ~20-30% of super responders I might just stick with normal minoxidil.

[Jazz1]

Hey guys will be free late tonight and will take time to reply, I do apologise life's been very hectic due to my car project and work!, have good evening .

[Jazz1]

Hey guys I'm sorry i am a bit behind and I hate making excuses, but at the same time I hate replying from my iPhone! After tommorow I will have 3 days free from work, again working shift work is difficult , as I prefer to reply on my iPad or laptop than my bloody iPhone spell corrector!

I will reply thoroughly tommorow as I will have free time and not be tired .

[Hicks]

I should clarify I take 1.25 fin 4 days then use Susan's stuff on the days I don't take fin. truthfully it's very hard to see your progress change without pictures. I guess I should start doing that.

[keisomo]

Hey Jazz,

My original regime was just 1mg fin every day. I initially avoided minox due to the mess and not wanting to deal with two applications daily and greasy hair / scalp etc. Also I was scared as I heard that sometimes it isn't very effective for hairlines.

However, after 8 months, I decided I wanted to get off fin. It gave me pretty bad mental side effects - constantly feeling depressed / sad / defeated. This was a hard way to live for me.

I went down to fin twice a week for almost a month and I feel so much better and happy and confident (minus the hair loss). But obviously now i am afraid of my hair falling out more rapidly without the fin.

So now I am back up to 1mg fin EOD. And for about a week now, nightly application of Susan's 15% lotion around my hairline, mixed with:

15% minoxidil
0.1% finesteride
5% azelaic acid
0.025% progesterone
0.25% tretinoin

I have noticed a small shed already beginning and more perpetual itchiness around my hairline.

My question is, do you think this itchiness is from Susan's mixture? Or is it maybe from taking fin less regularly?
Also any recommendations and comments are much encouraged!


Thanks very very much for everything you've done on site and thread!

Hey Nave...

I felt compel to reply to you as my first post not only because you're a fellow Torontonian but I had the same issue using the exact same formula last month. I also had itching all over the scalp after using it for a couple of weeks. I stop and it went away. I tried it again second time and itch came back. Susan called me and nicely offered me a 30ml sample with less aggressive ingredients: 10%Minox, 5%AA and .01HC. It's been two weeks and no itch whatsover. I've now waiting to hear back from her whether I need to redo my prescription and if I should add RA and PROG. I don't need FIN because I'm already taking proscar.

Too bad now I have 3 bottles of expensive hair product i can't use...the thing we do to keep our hair.

Good luck Nave...

[Plan C]

Hey I will reply tonight, I am at work now .

Jazz, is there any way I can message you privately about something?

[Jazz1]

Hey I will reply tomorrow promise, as I work shifts i need to be up early tomorrow.