Finasteride and Dutasteride combined daily, safe or not

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Dav7
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2013
    • 308

    #16
    Originally posted by Dan26
    Heres a study...Shows comparison of inhibition in different genotypes between fin and dut.



    For the most part dut is superior but there are exceptions

    eg.
    ''However, two of the enzyme variants do not follow this trend: the F194L variant (independently of reaction time) and the P48R variant (but only in the 10-min reaction) display lower apparent Ki (higher affinity) for finasteride than dutasteride (Tables 1⇑ and 2⇑).''

    Blood tests are crucial. You could waste years taking fin when it is doing nothing for you, or years taking dut when you should be on fin.
    So can a doctor determine if fin or dut is working simply by taking blood tests? If so, how often would one be getting the tests?

    Comment

    • scort
      Junior Member
      • Dec 2013
      • 5

      #17
      Im a chemist and the short to whether a doctor can tell one drug is better for you than the other is No. It would require scalp samples and would go beyond the cost and know how that an average doctor could do. these are the things that go into a study and not the average practice of a general practitioner.even though I am new here I have worked on 5 alpha reductase inhibitors for over 15 years and its a very complicated issue. For example, dutasteride should stop all skin oil sebum for those in the know but it doesn't which postulates that there is more to 5 alpha reductase inhibitors then currently known. Dutaseride should stop acne ala accutane through inhibition of sebum but it doesnt. what I'm saying is that we have a lot more to learn and so does any doctor. dutasteride should cure male pattern baldness but its only A somewhat effective treatment, combined with finasteride even better. Blood tests don't measure scalp dht or dyhydroepiandosterone which is thought to be another culprit.

      Comment

      • Dan26
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2012
        • 1270

        #18
        Blood tests will tell you if your serum DHT is being lowered, so they are crucial. Just because serum DHT is lowered does not necessarily mean the drugs will work, but it means that you respond as far as 5ar2 inhibition goes. If your serum DHT is not lowered it is likely you are not responding to the drug as most do ie your 5ar2 is not being sufficiently inhibited, and one reason this may be so is due to your genotype.

        Comment

        • burtandernie
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2012
          • 1563

          #19
          The problem with all this stuff like fin or dut is they always look at something like DHT just in isolation of all the other stuff going on and its all interconnected. You cant just look at DHT without looking at testosterone or what about the most important issue of why is hair sensitive to androgens? How do androgen receptors react with lowering DHT over time? Lots of questions besides just lowering DHT that all affect how something like propecia works.

          Comment

          • Dan26
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2012
            • 1270

            #20
            Originally posted by burtandernie
            The problem with all this stuff like fin or dut is they always look at something like DHT just in isolation of all the other stuff going on and its all interconnected. You cant just look at DHT without looking at testosterone or what about the most important issue of why is hair sensitive to androgens? How do androgen receptors react with lowering DHT over time? Lots of questions besides just lowering DHT that all affect how something like propecia works.
            Yes this is true there is a feedback system in your body ie homeostasis that causes inevitable chain reactions (which is why i never beleived in that keratene alpha retard stuff which claimed to lower DHT with no changes in other androgenic hormones)...again, bloodtests are very important when on fin and dut. Oddly LH hormone is actually raised on dut unlike on fin which helps explain why sexual dysfuntion seems less prevalent with dut (but ofcourse higher risk of mental sides and estrogenic sides)

            Comment

            • 25 going on 65
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2010
              • 1476

              #21
              Originally posted by Dan26
              Blood tests will tell you if your serum DHT is being lowered, so they are crucial. Just because serum DHT is lowered does not necessarily mean the drugs will work, but it means that you respond as far as 5ar2 inhibition goes. If your serum DHT is not lowered it is likely you are not responding to the drug as most do ie your 5ar2 is not being sufficiently inhibited, and one reason this may be so is due to your genotype.
              Great....I only had my DHT tested when I was on both drugs. & now I am too paranoid to quit either long enough to get retested

              Comment

              Working...