5 months on Propecia (Side Effects - Testicular Atrophy)

[cp9]

Yeah, it's real weird.. sometimes they have the 'cold water look' and sometimes they hang just fine. (but a lot smaller)
How old are you swingline? I'm looking in getting FUE as well in another year or two. Really interested in either Dr Cole or Rahal =)

[swingline747]

yeah of course you'd say that, it's not happening to you lol (but it does make my D look bigger =P )

It's like my people saying to me: who cares about the amount of hair on your head, being bald makes you look wise and sophisticated.

Just be careful.
Have they started to hug your d*** yet? I went through these sides.. TWICE!
The worst is they start to have that "just out of cold water" look to them and it hurts like hell. Mine shrunk a bit, and trust me I KNOW.
If you noticed other sides be careful.
Im on my second recovery, so far getting better again, my drive tapers up and down but my balls are at least hanging normal most f the time again.
I am hoping that their regular size returns and now Im looking into a possible FUE transplant.

[Notcoolanymore]

Yeah I was just giving you crap. Trying to lighten the mood around here. But seriously shrinking balls is nothing to kid around about.

[cp9]

yeah of course you'd say that, it's not happening to you lol (but it does make my D look bigger =P )

It's like my people saying to me: who cares about the amount of hair on your head, being bald makes you look wise and sophisticated.

[Notcoolanymore]

Who cares about the size of their balls? It's the size of your D!@k that counts. And besides with your balls being so small, your D!@k might actually look bigger than it actually is.

[cp9]

Well yea.. I thought the same thing as well! - Not getting off this drug lol
I'm getting really good regrowth from it at this point, which f**king sucks!

But I'm gonna try take a week or two off and see if things get back to normal, and if it does, I'll start taking the drug again at a lower dose EOD (taper on).
I just hope I don't lose any of my gains...

[DanWS]

Don't let the Finasteride bandwagon dumbasses fool you, that shit is the devil's drug. And yes, testicle shrinkage is definitely possible;

http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7044

shit like that is ****ing scary! oh well **** it, im 6 weeks in and aint gettin off now! lol

[cp9]

I didn't mean that it lowered my testosterone overall, it actually increased it by heaps (I could lift a lot more in the gym lol). Kind of like taking steroids, with the increased amount of free flowing testosterone from Propecia I'm actually giving my body much more than what it can produce, so it stops producing naturally (hence the reduction in testicle size).
I'm gonna try lower my dosage or even take it EOD and see if that helps.. =/
But yes, I will definitely give the doctor a visit on Monday!

@hellouser
Thanks for the link!

Cheers

[hellouser]

How about you blow me for calling me a "Finasteride bandwagon dumbass"! I am neither for or against finasteride. It is a drug and it has it's place. It helps many people and does not help many others. It has worked very well for me, and for other people it has been a nightmare. Like every drug it has it's side effects and some people experience them to different degrees.

I was simply wondering how you could notice "minimal shrinkage" of your balls unless you continually measure your balls, that's all, I was curious.

It is comical however that you call people finasteride bandwagon dumbasses and then as proof of you point of view you post a link from a website that is inhabited by hysterical hypochondriacs who wouldn't be able to get it up if they took a sugar pill because they are crazy.

Don't act like you know me.

To the OP, there are a lot of scary things on propeciahelp and most of them are the rants of crazy people. There are very real side effects of the drug, just like any other drug. If you are experiencing side effects that you can't handle then you should discontinue use. When I was younger I thought about using propecia but got scared off. I lost a ton of hair going from a NW 3 to a NW5/6 and I ended up taking the drug anyways with zero side effects.

There are people on here like hellhouser who will tell you the drug is the devil, and there are people on here who will tell you it is as safe as a sugar pill. Like most things the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

And to follow up with one of your last posts, finasteride doesn't decrease your testosterone levels, it keeps the enzyme 5 alpha reductase from converting testosterone into dihydrotestosterone (DHT). Often times taking finasteride results in an increase in the amount of free testosterone. I would suggest you go see a doctor about this problem and not rely on the medical advice of people on the internet.

Congratulations on your rant, but I didn't even see your post nor do I care for it or this one. Stay on Fin if its working for you, but don't even for a second say it has very VERY debilitating side effects for many (erectile dysfunction? I'd rather be completely bald).

The drug should have been a thing of the past, CB will hopefully change all that without any of the shit that Fin causes.

[hellouser]

Thanks for the info hellouser! Much appreciated
I'll definitely look into it.. there's still hope!!

Forgot to mention, RU58841 and CB-03-01 are both available via black market... you just have to make the vehicle yourself (its really easy). Check my thread on how to make RU here:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?p=120497

As for CB, preparation is similar (can be the same, but efficacy will be different).

[greatjob!]

Don't let the Finasteride bandwagon dumbasses fool you, that shit is the devil's drug. And yes, testicle shrinkage is definitely possible;

http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7044

How about you blow me for calling me a "Finasteride bandwagon dumbass"! I am neither for or against finasteride. It is a drug and it has it's place. It helps many people and does not help many others. It has worked very well for me, and for other people it has been a nightmare. Like every drug it has it's side effects and some people experience them to different degrees.

I was simply wondering how you could notice "minimal shrinkage" of your balls unless you continually measure your balls, that's all, I was curious.

It is comical however that you call people finasteride bandwagon dumbasses and then as proof of you point of view you post a link from a website that is inhabited by hysterical hypochondriacs who wouldn't be able to get it up if they took a sugar pill because they are crazy.

Don't act like you know me.

To the OP, there are a lot of scary things on propeciahelp and most of them are the rants of crazy people. There are very real side effects of the drug, just like any other drug. If you are experiencing side effects that you can't handle then you should discontinue use. When I was younger I thought about using propecia but got scared off. I lost a ton of hair going from a NW 3 to a NW5/6 and I ended up taking the drug anyways with zero side effects.

There are people on here like hellhouser who will tell you the drug is the devil, and there are people on here who will tell you it is as safe as a sugar pill. Like most things the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

And to follow up with one of your last posts, finasteride doesn't decrease your testosterone levels, it keeps the enzyme 5 alpha reductase from converting testosterone into dihydrotestosterone (DHT). Often times taking finasteride results in an increase in the amount of free testosterone. I would suggest you go see a doctor about this problem and not rely on the medical advice of people on the internet.

[cp9]

Thanks for the info hellouser! Much appreciated
I'll definitely look into it.. there's still hope!!

[hellouser]

Oh wow, that's scary... Are there any other alternatives to finasteride then? I really don't want to lose my hair...

le sigh.

There are really only TWO:

RU58841, which is a topical solution that works as well as finasteride. If it gets into your bloodstream and goes systemic, you might have the same sides, although they happen significantly less and if they do, theyre significantly milder.

CB-03-01
This is a steroid DHT inhibitor but only at the follicle level, nowhere else, so it will have ZERO effect on your johnson, libido, balls, bitch tits, etc. Even if it does get into your bloodstream, it goes benign, so its quite safe... and best of all, approximately 4X as powerful as Finasteride.

Both of these solutions require you make your own vehicle (liquid, usually ethanol in which the compound is dissolved in and then applied topically to penetrate the skin).

Be careful of a particular forum member named Tracey, if she reads this she WILL advise against using a non-FDA approved solution. The product afaik never made it through clinical trials and the drug was shelved. Read more here:

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/html/RU58841experiment.cfm

CB-03-01 is currently being developed by Cosmo Pharmaceuticals and they've reported no side effects in their clinical trials. The only possible side effect is skin atrophy, but the amount of CB you'd use is very little (10mg per 1ml) and the steroid is milder on the skin than the mildest steroid that could even possibly cause skin atrophy. In short, Cosmo knows what they're doing, if this was a long term side effect they wouldn't bring it forth and it wouldnt make it past trials (potentially).

Here are Cosmo's initial results with CB;



Notice hair count rose from 71 to 109 (54% increase) and hair thickness more than doubled from 0.41 to 0.88mm. This was used with iontophoresis... if you can find a device that does it on the scalp, all the more power to you, but for now people are experimenting with a liquid vehicle (dmi/dmso, ethanol/glycol, oleyl/glycol). Interesting is that Cosmo states it will use an anhydrous vehicle, which means it will be a DRY topical application.

Don't expect CB on the market until at least 2016 and thats being generous.

Check my dermarolling thread if you want to experiment with a very safe and potentially far better solution than either:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=13420

It mimics Follica's wounding and FGF-9 procedure to create new hair follicles (though our procedure will most likely stimulate growth from old dorman/miniaturized follicles). Read the whole thread though.

[cp9]

Oh wow, that's scary... Are there any other alternatives to finasteride then? I really don't want to lose my hair...

le sigh.

[hellouser]

Don't let the Finasteride bandwagon dumbasses fool you, that shit is the devil's drug. And yes, testicle shrinkage is definitely possible;

http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7044