Blood test (DHT) with finasteride every other day.

[JulioGP]

About Saw Pametto, what I meant was that it increased my DHT rather than decrease. I agree with you that using EOD may bring some benefit to those who have follicles with low sensitivity to DHT. Even if the DHT remains low for a few hours only, is better than nothing and can but bring some improvement. If a person uses the method EOD, at 1 year of use it will have reduced its DHT for 6 months and it can certainly bring some benefit is 50% of the year with DHT reduced.

When I said that using EOD does not reduce DHT I mean that does not reduce for several consecutive days as it is written in some sites. Anyway, maybe I rather keep using 0.5 mg daily and certainly will carry out further tests, as do blood tests almost every 2 months. If I can further reduce DHT using 0.5 mg, maybe I'll make an attempt to 1mg EOD to see if it works at least to keep the level down. I will updating here on the forum for those interested in following.

[UK_]

About Saw Pametto, what I meant was that it increased my DHT rather than decrease. I agree with you that using EOD may bring some benefit to those who have follicles with low sensitivity to DHT. Even if the DHT remains low for a few hours only, is better than nothing and can but bring some improvement. If a person uses the method EOD, at 1 year of use it will have reduced its DHT for 6 months and it can certainly bring some benefit is 50% of the year with DHT reduced.

When I said that using EOD does not reduce DHT I mean that does not reduce for several consecutive days as it is written in some sites. Anyway, maybe I rather keep using 0.5 mg daily and certainly will carry out further tests, as do blood tests almost every 2 months. If I can further reduce DHT using 0.5 mg, maybe I'll make an attempt to 1mg EOD to see if it works at least to keep the level down. I will updating here on the forum for those interested in following.

Your body may have responded to the decrease in 5AR activity by producing more of the enzyme, you really need to spend 6 months on Saw Palmetto to see the true effect it has on DHT, which is minimal at best (a few percent difference from baseline).

[burtandernie]

SP might work on the receptors and not DHT itself. Also is taking a liquid gel cap absorbed and used in the same way as powder in a capsule? Could be differences there in if its effective or not although I think its safe to say SP is nowhere near as strong as any real drug like fin if it works at all.

[Dan26]

just got mine back I took the dht test 6 weeks after already starting fin. My result is

2932 pmol/l

WTF is that on the ng/dl scale? I am trying to find a converter. In December of 2011 my levels were 4128 pmol/l so it is significantly lower in my opinion

bro i find this very interesting you took 1.25mg fin for 6 weeks daily right? And it only reduced your DHT by about 30%. Like me you had very high DHT levels to start, and in my case 0.25mg for 2 months only reduced 10%..seems like fin is dose dependent for us or a higher dose is needed for those with high DHT...because studies show it should cut by a significantly larger % in that time frame

[Dan26]

Julio I think your on to something brother....My bloood test results on 0.25mg fin every day do not at all go in line with the published studies out there.

Imagine if everyone had tests done, who knows what the results would tell

[JulioGP]

It is my friend, only frequent blood tests can confirm is that something or not. Studies with independent doctors and unknown, to me, are very vague.

[MackJames]

As anyone tried taking fin daily until your dht levels are lowered and then switching to an every other day routine?

[goldbondmafia]

Just got another blood test this morning so it will be cool to see what my DHT is at the 7 month mark. I never got a baseline DHT test but mine after 6 weeks on fin was:

2932 pmol/l = 798.6 pg/ml = 79,86 ng/dl

[Dan26]

Just got another blood test this morning so it will be cool to see what my DHT is at the 7 month mark. I never got a baseline DHT test but mine after 6 weeks on fin was:

2932 pmol/l = 798.6 pg/ml = 79,86 ng/dl

Bro which lab does your testing? Your in Canada right? I'm really curious to know because my DHT has not changed while being on fin and dut, so I'm either a mutant or it's the lab lol. You seem to have got your results in the same units, pmol/L, as I did, so I'm thinking it could be the same lab.

Let me know what your new DHT levels are man.

[Dan26]

Guys...

I'm posting back here because I have done bloodtests while on both fin and dut and neither showed any significant changes in my hormone levels.

This seems like it cannot be possible, so I did some digging and contacted some researchers.

The assays they use to measure DHT are not very accurate...And for a DHT test the vial must be frozen immediately and shipped in dry ice to the main lab/testing center for analyisis. I think it is possilbe the labs results are not always reflective of DHT tests. DHT is a specialized expensive tests AFAIK.

Julio, have you had any tests done lately??

An expert recommended for me to DHT-glucuronide test specifically, this will be most accurate.

[JulioGP]

Yes, I have been testing every 2 months. Using 0.5 mg of finasteride daily I had a reduction of almost 20% on my DHT.

Recently I started a test with topical dutasteride. I had a small reduction in systemic DHT. Do the exams in one of the best laboratories in Brazil, has no error.

All tests are done with accompanying endocrinologist. All make sense to me, in accordance with the medication I am using.

[Dan26]

Yes, I have been testing every 2 months. Using 0.5 mg of finasteride daily I had a reduction of almost 20% on my DHT.

Recently I started a test with topical dutasteride. I had a small reduction in systemic DHT. Do the exams in one of the best laboratories in Brazil, has no error.

All tests are done with accompanying endocrinologist. All make sense to me, in accordance with the medication I am using.

What method do the lab use and how do you know it has no error? Is it ELISA?

[JulioGP]

Yes.

[Dan26]

Julio I was informed by a researcher that ELISA in inaccurate for DHT testing.

In radioimmunoassays/ ELISA the sensitivity limit of those is very close to the blood DHT levels for most people. Blood testosterone for example would be accurate for this test because it is in the blood at a much higher concentration than DHT.

If you can, request a DHT-g test man, I'd be very curious to see the difference it made.

I get my DHT tested the same as you, and even on dutasteride I had minimal DHT reduction, which is not possible or at least EXTREMELY unlikely.

[JulioGP]

The ELISA method is rather accurate. If it was not accurate, both doctors laboratories would not perform the tests using this test and it is not what happens.

Otherwise , they would have a parameter wrong and prescribe another method for achieving the DHT tests , but it is not so. The method varies from lab to lab and only

In all my tests, according to the product I was using, my DHT suffered some variation.

About dutasteride, on my last test (using topical dutasteride) I had a reduction of almost 30% on my DHT, it shows that there was some systemic absorption(I had expected this) and also that the test using the ELISA method is fully secure. If I were using oral dutasteride certainly this reduction would be greater than 50%.

Have to verify that you are performing laboratory tests is a reliable laboratory. In my case, I do in one of the best in Brazil. I've done more than 10 exams DHT there and everyone was very consistent.