someone give me some support/advice

[Notcoolanymore]

I don't think greatjob was trying to offend you. I actually read his post twice to see if maybe I missed something that could have been offensive. You over reacted to his post. That might be the reason why people are questioning your maturity. When you come on here asking for advice or input you have to expect that sometimes you will hear things that you don't agree with. It doesn't mean anybody is necessarily 100% right or wrong they are just giving you their opinion.

All this threatening to report people is just ridiculous. Nothing worth reporting or banning anyone over. I like it around here, but if reporting someone just because you don't like what they are saying resulted in them getting warned or banned this place would be a sad place and I wouldn't want to be here. That would be a total abuse of the reporting system.

[greatjob!]

If one of makes another evaluation about me, calling me immature, a brat, or an asshole again, consider yourself reported. You guys probably think I live at home and am unemployed. Both or which are false.

This is afterall the "coping with hairloss in daily life" forum so forgive me if I perceived this forum as more of the "blowing off steem" or "ranting" forum. I didn't know I would have to watch what I say to make sure it was perfect for the people who read.

Everything you guys are saying has been well noted. But stop with the personal attacks and suggestions that I'm immature and am bumming off my mother. I buy her groceries, pay half her monthly bills, and sometimes loan money to both my parents for payroll for my parent's business. So I am in no way an immature brat.

I never said you were a brat or bumming off your mother. You said your mom was supplying the rest of the money for the procedure, not anyone else.

I do however consider you immature, because that is what you come across as, report me all you want. You are a NW 2 or less by your own admission, which IMO does not warrant a transplant. Your risking a whole hell of a lot for something that shouldn't be that big of an issue, and your glossing over everyone's advice to slow down, because you could be making a huge mistake.

So I'll stop posting in your thread, since I don't want to be reported, and leave you with what you came here for....


Hi Baldnessfalls! Welcome to the forum! That sucks your mom is being so lame and you've had to back out of so many procedures! 22 is the perfect age for a hair transplant, and Dr. Fisher is the best doctor in the whole wide world!! This will be the best decision you will ever make and you will definitely never ever regret this for as long as you live. You will be male model material after this procedure, all the problems in your life will be solved, and I'm sure I will see you on billboards in the near future!! Good luck buddy!!

[Baldnessfalls]

Planting an aggressive juvenile hairline at 22 is a huge mistake. Any doctor that would agree to do so has questionable ethics in my opinion. With you losing hair at such a young age you are more than likely going to lose a lot more in the future, and I promise you one thing, if you plant an aggressive hairline now you will not have the donor to keep up with the loss. Then you'll end up with a terrible head of hair and not have the ability to shave down.

Also if you are a NW 2 or less, you have a full head of hair, and if you are so concerned about it that you can't leave the house without a hat, you have some other issues that a hair transplant isn't going to fix. You came on here asking for advice, but what you really want is for us to confirm your decision and tell you that you're right, however every person here has told you the complete opposite and for good reason. At your age you are very immature and short sided, you can't see past next week let alone 10-20 years into the future. If you head down this path without proper planning, which you clearly are not doing, you will end up in a very bad place. All of this is irrelevant since your mind is made up, I only hope your mom reads this so she doesn't give you the money. Anyways good luck to you, I hope you win the lottery and this all works out for you.

If one of makes another evaluation about me, calling me immature, a brat, or an asshole again, consider yourself reported. You guys probably think I live at home and am unemployed. Both or which are false.

This is afterall the "coping with hairloss in daily life" forum so forgive me if I perceived this forum as more of the "blowing off steem" or "ranting" forum. I didn't know I would have to watch what I say to make sure it was perfect for the people who read.

Everything you guys are saying has been well noted. But stop with the personal attacks and suggestions that I'm immature and am bumming off my mother. I buy her groceries, pay half her monthly bills, and sometimes loan money to both my parents for payroll for my parent's business. So I am in no way an immature brat.

[greatjob!]

I wish I could get some pics on here but my computer screen is broken and I'm having to use my smartphone. But after looking at the NW again, I've pretty much determined that I'm slightly less if not exactly a NW 2. But this scale doesn't seem to account for unique hairline and head shapes so its tough to tell exactly. Also, the density around the front is worse than the NW would show.

Believe it or not, I have done some hard research and I believe 1500 grafts would put me back to my youthful hairline. I also know its not as much about getting that hairline back as it is giving the appearance of a full head of hair.

I know finasteride could be crucial to stopping further hairloss, but I'm still extremely reluctant to take it. I just don't need more complications to my life and it seems like finasteride resolves a key issues in ones life, but it comes at the cost of other key parts of life (I.e. reproductive/mental health). But I'll discuss this with my doctor.

As far as the surgeon I picked out, yes he is the closest one to me, but I think he will do just fine.

Planting an aggressive juvenile hairline at 22 is a huge mistake. Any doctor that would agree to do so has questionable ethics in my opinion. With you losing hair at such a young age you are more than likely going to lose a lot more in the future, and I promise you one thing, if you plant an aggressive hairline now you will not have the donor to keep up with the loss. Then you'll end up with a terrible head of hair and not have the ability to shave down.

Also if you are a NW 2 or less, you have a full head of hair, and if you are so concerned about it that you can't leave the house without a hat, you have some other issues that a hair transplant isn't going to fix. You came on here asking for advice, but what you really want is for us to confirm your decision and tell you that you're right, however every person here has told you the complete opposite and for good reason. At your age you are very immature and short sided, you can't see past next week let alone 10-20 years into the future. If you head down this path without proper planning, which you clearly are not doing, you will end up in a very bad place. All of this is irrelevant since your mind is made up, I only hope your mom reads this so she doesn't give you the money. Anyways good luck to you, I hope you win the lottery and this all works out for you.

[Baldnessfalls]

I wish I could get some pics on here but my computer screen is broken and I'm having to use my smartphone. But after looking at the NW again, I've pretty much determined that I'm slightly less if not exactly a NW 2. But this scale doesn't seem to account for unique hairline and head shapes so its tough to tell exactly. Also, the density around the front is worse than the NW would show.

Believe it or not, I have done some hard research and I believe 1500 grafts would put me back to my youthful hairline. I also know its not as much about getting that hairline back as it is giving the appearance of a full head of hair.

I know finasteride could be crucial to stopping further hairloss, but I'm still extremely reluctant to take it. I just don't need more complications to my life and it seems like finasteride resolves a key issues in ones life, but it comes at the cost of other key parts of life (I.e. reproductive/mental health). But I'll discuss this with my doctor.

As far as the surgeon I picked out, yes he is the closest one to me, but I think he will do just fine.

[brunobald]

Age is definitely against you on this one. I started losing my hair at 26 (now 28) it was slow at first in the crown, but over the last 6 months the front section of my hair hair gone from a super dense mop to about 1/3 of what was there before. My point is I was convinced I was only losing it in the crown, but within 6 months things completly changed and now my whole norwood 6 area looks like cr*p. When you are young it can happen and it can happen fast.

Hair loss sucks, but If you really are "male model material" you will look just as good to the other sex, without hair. I have yet to see a women I found less attractive with her hair shaved right down, think of it that way.

Without an antiandrogen you will struggle to maintain so your options in my eyes are.

1. Get a hair transplant and hope donor regen can help you fill in areas that bald in the future. (If you have the cash).
2. Get a transplant and use fin, or alternatively CB or RU.
3. There are other experimental drugs out there that grow hair, safety will be an issue. PS1 for example.
4. Scalp micro pigmentation, a good option for us young uns. check it out. Adding a little bit of fue transplants to a SMP job can really make it pop.
5. Shave it off and be done with it, liberation and acceptance are a wonderfull thing.

[Thinning87]

Don't do it man. I know it sucks, and the money isn't what matters. You have the luck of being 6-2 we know you don't look nearly as good without hair but being so tall most women will be looking at you from below... I know it sounds stupid but I think it's a benefit as the eye will focus more on jaw and face unlike the rest of us

[Notcoolanymore]

you chill out! And never post in this thread again. I mean it. Go away. You were the first one to attack me personally talking about my situation at home with my mother, of which you know absolutely nothing about. If you post here again, it will be positive, or you will be reported. Promise.

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Orders have been given, now get lost. LOL

[Diesel15]

I understand that my hair has the potential to recede even after the HT. My doctor informed me of this too. He also told me having a HT is even more reason to use things like rogaine and finasteride, but like I said, I'm going to leave finasteride alone. Minoxidil fine. Ketoconazole, fine. But I just don't have the time or the desire to put up with the potential side affects of propecia.

I'm not sure exactly what you hoped to achieve with this thread but you seem to be glossing over some important facts. BT has contributed more to this forum than 99% of the people that post here. His advice is sound regardless of whether or not you agree with his tact. Considering your age and the aggressiveness of your hair loss, future loss is a near certainty even with treatments. If you take the emotion out of this equation what you are left with is this:

Chances of future loss without an AA >90%
Chances of side effects with an AA 5%

If you like those odds then go ahead with the procedure. If this is as important to you as you say then you'll figure out a way to come up with the $3K regardless of the source. Credit card, personal loan etc... These guys are just trying to help you realize that this might not be in your best interest long-term given the facts you've presented. I know you won't believe this either but if you care about your hair to this degree at 22 you'll still care as much 10 or 15 years down the road. There's no magic switch that you can flip on this one. Everyone here who has taken the time to post knows exactly how you are feeling and has gone through the same emotions. This is a difficult thing to go through and I feel for you. Try to look at this as objectively as possible. It sounds like your mind is made up to go through with it so I wish you the best if and when you do.

[Baldnessfalls]

I understand that my hair has the potential to recede even after the HT. My doctor informed me of this too. He also told me having a HT is even more reason to use things like rogaine and finasteride, but like I said, I'm going to leave finasteride alone. Minoxidil fine. Ketoconazole, fine. But I just don't have the time or the desire to put up with the potential side affects of propecia.

[Baldnessfalls]

Haha. Chill out, you chode.

You come here asking for advice while simultaneously making yourself look like the biggest d-bag of all time (see?, I read your post). Then when someone gives you legitimate advice you get all salty and re-illustrate how uneducated you are on the topic.

Rogaine doesn't work for everyone, and neither does finasteride for that matter -- go look up the Rogaine efficacy rates, please. If you get a HT to put you from NW2/3 back to NW1, you may very well just bald behind the transplant REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE ON ROGAINE. You think some Doc minds taking the better part of $10k from some naive brat suckling off his mother's teat without providing the caveat about 5 of us just did?

Stop being such a stupid asshole and go do your homework on the topic. And God bless your mother for putting up with you for 22 years.

YOU chill out! And never post in this thread again. I mean it. Go away. You were the first one to attack me personally talking about my situation at home with my mother, of which you know absolutely nothing about. If you post here again, it will be positive, or you will be reported. Promise.

[Dan26]

Take it from us baldnessfalls, we have been in your shoes....

Unless you are over exaggerating your loss, fin for ATLEAST a year to stabilize your loss then PERHAPS an HT is the one and only option you have. You need to accept that.

''my dad is thin on top, but he's 68 years old and honestly is in better shape hair wise than I am''

If a 68 year old man is thin on top and still in better shape than you...

Post those pics

[BigThinker]

First of all, don't make assumptions, and don't tell me what my responsibilities are. I have a very good job, and I'm out of my room all the time. I said I never leave my room WITHOUT A HAT ON MY HEAD, if you bothered to read my post thoroughly.

I don't want to have a HT in a year and see results when I'm in my late 20s (when it doesn't matter anymore). I've got things I want to do before then that require looking sexy with a full head of hair as the line of work I'm going into requires me to look good. Plus, there is just a certain way I WANT to look. Sue me if that's a crime. I'll get on rogaine as soon as I have grafts on my head.

Haha. Chill out, you chode.

You come here asking for advice while simultaneously making yourself look like the biggest d-bag of all time (see?, I read your post). Then when someone gives you legitimate advice you get all salty and re-illustrate how uneducated you are on the topic.

Rogaine doesn't work for everyone, and neither does finasteride for that matter -- go look up the Rogaine efficacy rates, please. If you get a HT to put you from NW2/3 back to NW1, you may very well just bald behind the transplant REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE ON ROGAINE. You think some Doc minds taking the better part of $10k from some naive brat suckling off his mother's teat without providing the caveat about 5 of us just did?

Stop being such a stupid asshole and go do your homework on the topic. And God bless your mother for putting up with you for 22 years.

[25 going on 65]

If you're not on preventative treatments, you'll probably just bald behind your hair transplant and look like a dingus who wasted a bunch of money.

This is what you need to accept, OP. If you will not take DHT meds, you need to forget about hair transplants

[Baldnessfalls]

At 22 and not willing to get on finasteride, you could be making a huge mistake having a hair transplant. Very few people who start losing their hair at a young age don't end up with an advanced norwood pattern. If you plant a fairly aggressive hairline now, and continue to bald you most likely won't have the donor to keep up. Also from your posts it seems like you are chasing a perfect head of hair, and if you really are a NW 3, 1500 grafts isn't going to give you that. For someone who is losing hair at a young age, a NW 2 should be considered a full head of hair, because you aren't going to be able to achieve much more than that if you advance to an advanced norwood level.

Also I know you said Dr. Jack Fisher is an IAHRS recommended surgeon, however I have not seen much of his work, and I have been around for a while. There are literally only a handful of doctors I would consider letting work on me, make sure you are going to the best doctor you can and not just the one closest or most convenient for you.

You can look up Dr. Fisher's achievements, they are pretty impressive. I think he'll do. I'll take that risk.

I simply will not take finasteride. Don't want to **** around with something with side affects involving my prostate and sexual health, or mental health for that matter.

I'm not a NW3, but I am a little worse than NW2 I think. But I honestly can't tell much by comparing myself to that scale. It's hard to tell exactly what I am.

I'll try to get some pics on here.