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  • max4rmuk
    Junior Member
    • Jul 2013
    • 17

    Body hair suitability.

    Is it true that the growth cycle of leg hair and stomach hair is two years which is why it is unsuitable for the scalp?
  • 35YrsAfter
    Doctor Representative
    • Aug 2012
    • 1418

    #2
    Originally posted by max4rmuk
    Is it true that the growth cycle of leg hair and stomach hair is two years which is why it is unsuitable for the scalp?
    I got some growth from leg hair. We have a patient who had his temples rebuilt using leg hair. He uses Latisse to help with the leg hair length.

    Body hair only works with some patients. I had some leg hair grafted to the top of my head in a study conducted by Dr. Cole several years back. The hair grew but faded over time. Chest and stomach hair is better than leg hair. Beard hair is better than chest hair and scalp hair is better than beard hair. The yield is good (90%) when ACell is administered when beard hair is grafted. Beard hair usually has a curl and is often more coarse than scalp hair. Beard hair extraction sites heal remarkably well. Beard hair can look great and add considerable density when carefully placed. It is usually twice the caliber of head hair. Twice the caliber offers four times the coverage.

    35YrsAfter also posts as CITNews and works at Dr. Cole's office
    Cole Hair Transplant
    Atlanta, GA
    Phone 678-566-1011
    Please feel free to call or email me with any questions.
    Last edited by 35YrsAfter; 02-22-2015, 03:59 PM.

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    • Sean
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2011
      • 259

      #3
      Body hair does work and if you got a lot of it, it can help give the most conservative heads very young and youthful looking hairlines. I have seen work from Dr. Umar that supports this fact.

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      • didi
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2011
        • 1360

        #4
        Originally posted by Sean
        Body hair does work and if you got a lot of it, it can help give the most conservative heads very young and youthful looking hairlines. I have seen work from Dr. Umar that supports this fact.
        Body hair looks crap unless its mixed with head hair,

        Im not fan of beard hair either, its issue of compatibility with your head hair, it grows but its just different type/calibre ,


        Dr Umar is good Dr but he overhypes BHT like its silver bullet for people with limited donor...that's not the case,
        for every successful BHT case there are many unhappy patients who spend tens of 1000s of $$ and look worse off...
        seen dr Umars case of 25 000 bht grafts...

        Dr Umar and Dr Woods are main actors in overselling BHT...and they know very well that people are not getting whats promised

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        • baldozer
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2012
          • 752

          #5
          Originally posted by 35YrsAfter
          I got some growth from leg hair. We have a patient who had his temples rebuilt using leg hair. He uses Latisse to help with the leg hair length.

          Body hair only works with some patients. I had some leg hair grafted to the top of my head in a study conducted by Dr. Cole several years back. The hair grew but faded over time. Chest and stomach hair is better than leg hair. Beard hair is better than chest hair and scalp hair is better than beard hair. The yield is good (90%) when ACell is administered when beard hair is grafted. Beard hair usually has a curl and is often more coarse than scalp hair. Beard hair extraction sites heal remarkably well. Beard hair can look great and add considerable density when carefully placed. It is usually twice the caliber of head hair. Twice the caliber offers four times the coverage.

          35YrsAfter also posts as CITNews and works at Dr. Cole's office
          Cole Hair Transplant
          1045 Powers Place
          Alpharetta, Georgia 30009
          Phone 678-566-1011
          Please feel free to call or email me with any questions.
          How does twice the caliber offers four times more coverage?

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          • 35YrsAfter
            Doctor Representative
            • Aug 2012
            • 1418

            #6
            Originally posted by baldozer
            How does twice the caliber offers four times more coverage?
            Here is a segment from one of Dr. Cole's studies:

            The final length of the hair growth with the beard hair transplant suggested that most of the grafted beard hairs began their growth at the very beginning, assuming a mean growth rate in the range of 0.4 mm/day, like scalp hair. Most body hair shows growth at the rate of 0.2 mm/day, but this increases to as much as 0.35 mm/day when they are transplantation onto the scalp. It is seen that beard hair grafts grow much faster than most other body hair types. Another advantage of using beard hair for such transplantation is the results are much more cosmetic even when other sources produce similar or even slightly higher rates of yield. The rationale for such an improved coverage lies in the higher diameter of the beard hair shaft, which gives improved volume. As a general rule, double the diameter of hair shafts, and you quadruple the volume of hair because a cylinder of hair has the volume: V = Õ r2 h. also body hair can seem to become finer when it is transplanted to the scalp, but beard hair retains its diameter. Additionally, beard hair grows with a typical wave that enhances the coverage and volume. This makes beard hair grafts ideal for a cosmetic benefit and improved coverage of the scalp compared to other types of body hair. However, remember that in people with straight and fine hair, the added curl of the beard hair graft can produce an unwanted and unacceptable contrast to the existing scalp hair.

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            Last edited by 35YrsAfter; 02-22-2015, 03:59 PM.

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            • didi
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2011
              • 1360

              #7
              However, remember that in people with straight and fine hair, the added curl of the beard hair graft can produce an unwanted and unacceptable contrast to the existing scalp hair.

              Well, the same can be said about body hair, part or the reason why it doesn't look natural is that chest hair is always curly and it doesn't suit people with straight hair, and most people have straight hair.

              There is Indian doc dr bhatti who puts beard and bht hair into hairline..

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              • baldozer
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2012
                • 752

                #8
                Originally posted by didi
                However, remember that in people with straight and fine hair, the added curl of the beard hair graft can produce an unwanted and unacceptable contrast to the existing scalp hair.

                Well, the same can be said about body hair, part or the reason why it doesn't look natural is that chest hair is always curly and it doesn't suit people with straight hair, and most people have straight hair.

                There is Indian doc dr bhatti who puts beard and bht hair into hairline..
                Hair fibers are also pretty random in shape and therefore nowhere like scalp hair, but they do make hair look thicker nevertheless. So I guess, beard hair must be pretty useful in improving thickness even when it doesn't actually match the scalp hair.

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                • 35YrsAfter
                  Doctor Representative
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 1418

                  #9
                  Originally posted by baldozer
                  Hair fibers are also pretty random in shape and therefore nowhere like scalp hair, but they do make hair look thicker nevertheless. So I guess, beard hair must be pretty useful in improving thickness even when it doesn't actually match the scalp hair.
                  A man with fine caliber blonde hair and a coarse black beard would be about the worst candidate for beard hair grafting to the scalp, IMO. I saw photos of such a person and thought oh crap! When I actually met him in person after more grafts were placed and grew in, plus some hair styling savvy, he looked good and his hair didn't attract attention. When using beard hair that doesn't match the scalp hair, it will look natural if it's spread carefully all over the scalp and not placed too densely.

                  We had a patient in a while back who had quite a hybrid hair restoration. Dr. Wong did his strip, Dr. Woods added body hair and Dr. Cole added more body hair. The patient had dark hair and he looked great in person. 100% natural. He used to post as "juiceman". Juiceman was one of those guys that was determined not to be bald and just kept hitting his thin and bald areas with grafts.

                  35YrsAfter also posts as CITNews and works at Dr. Cole's office
                  Last edited by 35YrsAfter; 02-22-2015, 04:00 PM.

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                  • didi
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 1360

                    #10
                    I find it amazing how patient have multiple surgeries(juiceman had 3) but every time they pick different doctor,

                    Must be common to be unhappy with your precious doctor and thats why patients always look for someone better?

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                    • 35YrsAfter
                      Doctor Representative
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 1418

                      #11
                      Originally posted by didi
                      I find it amazing how patient have multiple surgeries(juiceman had 3) but every time they pick different doctor,

                      Must be common to be unhappy with your precious doctor and thats why patients always look for someone better?
                      Juiceman was happy with the work he had done by Dr. Wong and Dr. Woods. He had work done by Dr. Woods because at the time, he was the only doctor offering FUE body hair. Dr. Wong did a great job on his strip surgery and he had natural placement and a thin strip scar. Juiceman told me that he came to Dr. Cole because he had a few scalp reductions and didn't want to run the risk of a widened scar from another strip surgery. He also wanted to avoid the expense of the long flight to Australia. He is one of the guys who got great, natural looking results from body hair.

                      35YrsAfter also posts as CITNews and works at Dr. Cole's office
                      Last edited by 35YrsAfter; 02-22-2015, 04:18 PM.

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                      • wylie
                        Member
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 89

                        #12
                        Originally posted by didi
                        Body hair looks crap unless its mixed with head hair,

                        Im not fan of beard hair either, its issue of compatibility with your head hair, it grows but its just different type/calibre ,


                        Dr Umar is good Dr but he overhypes BHT like its silver bullet for people with limited donor...that's not the case,
                        for every successful BHT case there are many unhappy patients who spend tens of 1000s of $$ and look worse off...
                        seen dr Umars case of 25 000 bht grafts...

                        Dr Umar and Dr Woods are main actors in overselling BHT...and they know very well that people are not getting whats promised
                        Do you have any personal experience with body hair? I see uninformed commentary from people who consistently denigrate the use of body hair but have never had any extracted and added to their scalp.

                        I've had over 5000 beard added and am very pleased with the completely natural looking result. I've posted clear pictures of my hair from multiple angles on another thread.

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                        • 35YrsAfter
                          Doctor Representative
                          • Aug 2012
                          • 1418

                          #13
                          Some guys with a good bit of hair loss want to appear to shave their head for style. Body hair mixed with beard hair, properly placed, angled etc. will look fine shaved down, creating the suggestion of a frontal hairline. If I could do the whole thing over, that's what I would do. Instead, I have scars from a substandard surgery that predates strip. True, not everyone looks good with their head shaved. I could pull it off if it weren't for the scars on the back and sides of my head. I'm looking into micro needling.

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                          Last edited by 35YrsAfter; 02-22-2015, 04:18 PM.

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                          • Sean
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 259

                            #14
                            Originally posted by didi
                            Body hair looks crap unless its mixed with head hair,

                            Im not fan of beard hair either, its issue of compatibility with your head hair, it grows but its just different type/calibre ,


                            Dr Umar is good Dr but he overhypes BHT like its silver bullet for people with limited donor...that's not the case,
                            for every successful BHT case there are many unhappy patients who spend tens of 1000s of $$ and look worse off...
                            seen dr Umars case of 25 000 bht grafts...

                            Dr Umar and Dr Woods are main actors in overselling BHT...and they know very well that people are not getting whats promised

                            Of course, body hair can look like crap if you don't have the right body hair suitable for surgery. Not everyone can be a candidate. However, docs like Dr.Umar have proven they can successfully tackle the bht transplantation technique more than some others in the field.* He has even created youthful hairlines in the most conservative norwood cases utilizing mixture of hair types. I think having a youthful clean cut look outweighs having a heavily conservative hairline. Yes, it can cost thousands or be done at a discount, it is a valuable asset to a lot of folks.

                            I really don't think the doc oversells it, but rather use it as a possible option for those that need it to achieve their desired result.

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                            • 35YrsAfter
                              Doctor Representative
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 1418

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Sean
                              However, docs like Dr.Umar have proven they can successfully tackle the bht transplantation technique more than some others in the field.* He has even created youthful hairlines in the most conservative norwood cases utilizing mixture of hair types. I think having a youthful clean cut look outweighs having a heavily conservative hairline. Yes, it can cost thousands or be done at a discount, it is a valuable asset to a lot of folks.

                              I really don't think the doc oversells it, but rather use it as a possible option for those that need it to achieve their desired result.
                              I cannot overstress the importance of an undetectable, natural appearing result. Working at Dr. Cole's office I see a lot of work done by other hair restoration physicians. Some of the work is excellent while other work in my opinion is absolutely horrifying and disgusting. Even in 2013.

                              35YrsAfter also posts as CITNews and works at Dr. Cole's office
                              Last edited by 35YrsAfter; 02-22-2015, 04:18 PM.

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