Body hair suitability.

[wylie]

Can you show your pictures? And how much the procedure cost?

Here are some pictures of what my hair looked like yesterday:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=12483&page=8

I'll take some pics tomorrow when I get home, today I am chilling in beautiful Redondo Beach, and for once I had a relatively small session, and my neck looks quite normal after 500 grafts, usually I was getting 1500 or so extracted and looked like I got hit with buckshot (although healing is remarkably fast, and you look normal in 4 or 5 days, minus some redness)

BTW, all 500 were placed on the part side, starting where the top meets the side and then extending back towards the crown. My bald spot has just gotten considerably smaller.

The cost? Dr. Umar charges $7.00 a graft.

[baldozer]

Dr. Umar utilizes scalp hair for his hairlines, if he cannot get enough for the hairline, he will turn to nape hair, even leg hair. He used scalp hair for me, and could get close to 2000 grafts when a strip surgeon could get nothing. My first surgery with Dr. Umar was a complete hairline rebuild. The result blew me away. The incredible feeling i got looking at that hairline in the mirror after it grew in lasted for well over a year, even three and a half years later I still am so satisfied with it. I went on to 4 total surgeries using almost all beard, until today, and just finished the fifth one an hour ago. For 500 grafts, many came from the outside of the jawbone. You can only snatch around 5000 below the jawline, give or take a couple hundred.

Can you show your pictures? And how much the procedure cost?

[didi]

Dr. Umar utilizes scalp hair for his hairlines, if he cannot get enough for the hairline, he will turn to nape hair, even leg hair. He used scalp hair for me, and could get close to 2000 grafts when a strip surgeon could get nothing. My first surgery with Dr. Umar was a complete hairline rebuild. The result blew me away. The incredible feeling i got looking at that hairline in the mirror after it grew in lasted for well over a year, even three and a half years later I still am so satisfied with it. I went on to 4 total surgeries using almost all beard, until today, and just finished the fifth one an hour ago. For 500 grafts, many came from the outside of the jawbone. You can only snatch around 5000 below the jawline, give or take a couple hundred.

Nape hair is not permanent, at least in my case
10 years ago I had a lot of nape hair, not anymore


some Drs use beard for hairline and some use body hair without mixing it with head hair...should be criminal offence

[wylie]

Dr. Umar utilizes scalp hair for his hairlines, if he cannot get enough for the hairline, he will turn to nape hair, even leg hair. He used scalp hair for me, and could get close to 2000 grafts when a strip surgeon could get nothing. My first surgery with Dr. Umar was a complete hairline rebuild. The result blew me away. The incredible feeling i got looking at that hairline in the mirror after it grew in lasted for well over a year, even three and a half years later I still am so satisfied with it. I went on to 4 total surgeries using almost all beard, until today, and just finished the fifth one an hour ago. For 500 grafts, many came from the outside of the jawbone. You can only snatch around 5000 below the jawline, give or take a couple hundred.

[35YrsAfter]

However, docs like Dr.Umar have proven they can successfully tackle the bht transplantation technique more than some others in the field.* He has even created youthful hairlines in the most conservative norwood cases utilizing mixture of hair types. I think having a youthful clean cut look outweighs having a heavily conservative hairline. Yes, it can cost thousands or be done at a discount, it is a valuable asset to a lot of folks.

I really don't think the doc oversells it, but rather use it as a possible option for those that need it to achieve their desired result.

I cannot overstress the importance of an undetectable, natural appearing result. Working at Dr. Cole's office I see a lot of work done by other hair restoration physicians. Some of the work is excellent while other work in my opinion is absolutely horrifying and disgusting. Even in 2013.

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[Sean]

Body hair looks crap unless its mixed with head hair,

Im not fan of beard hair either, its issue of compatibility with your head hair, it grows but its just different type/calibre ,


Dr Umar is good Dr but he overhypes BHT like its silver bullet for people with limited donor...that's not the case,
for every successful BHT case there are many unhappy patients who spend tens of 1000s of $$ and look worse off...
seen dr Umars case of 25 000 bht grafts...

Dr Umar and Dr Woods are main actors in overselling BHT...and they know very well that people are not getting whats promised

Of course, body hair can look like crap if you don't have the right body hair suitable for surgery. Not everyone can be a candidate. However, docs like Dr.Umar have proven they can successfully tackle the bht transplantation technique more than some others in the field.* He has even created youthful hairlines in the most conservative norwood cases utilizing mixture of hair types. I think having a youthful clean cut look outweighs having a heavily conservative hairline. Yes, it can cost thousands or be done at a discount, it is a valuable asset to a lot of folks.

I really don't think the doc oversells it, but rather use it as a possible option for those that need it to achieve their desired result.

[35YrsAfter]

Some guys with a good bit of hair loss want to appear to shave their head for style. Body hair mixed with beard hair, properly placed, angled etc. will look fine shaved down, creating the suggestion of a frontal hairline. If I could do the whole thing over, that's what I would do. Instead, I have scars from a substandard surgery that predates strip. True, not everyone looks good with their head shaved. I could pull it off if it weren't for the scars on the back and sides of my head. I'm looking into micro needling.

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[wylie]

Body hair looks crap unless its mixed with head hair,

Im not fan of beard hair either, its issue of compatibility with your head hair, it grows but its just different type/calibre ,


Dr Umar is good Dr but he overhypes BHT like its silver bullet for people with limited donor...that's not the case,
for every successful BHT case there are many unhappy patients who spend tens of 1000s of $$ and look worse off...
seen dr Umars case of 25 000 bht grafts...

Dr Umar and Dr Woods are main actors in overselling BHT...and they know very well that people are not getting whats promised

Do you have any personal experience with body hair? I see uninformed commentary from people who consistently denigrate the use of body hair but have never had any extracted and added to their scalp.

I've had over 5000 beard added and am very pleased with the completely natural looking result. I've posted clear pictures of my hair from multiple angles on another thread.

[35YrsAfter]

I find it amazing how patient have multiple surgeries(juiceman had 3) but every time they pick different doctor,

Must be common to be unhappy with your precious doctor and thats why patients always look for someone better?

Juiceman was happy with the work he had done by Dr. Wong and Dr. Woods. He had work done by Dr. Woods because at the time, he was the only doctor offering FUE body hair. Dr. Wong did a great job on his strip surgery and he had natural placement and a thin strip scar. Juiceman told me that he came to Dr. Cole because he had a few scalp reductions and didn't want to run the risk of a widened scar from another strip surgery. He also wanted to avoid the expense of the long flight to Australia. He is one of the guys who got great, natural looking results from body hair.

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[didi]

I find it amazing how patient have multiple surgeries(juiceman had 3) but every time they pick different doctor,

Must be common to be unhappy with your precious doctor and thats why patients always look for someone better?

[35YrsAfter]

Hair fibers are also pretty random in shape and therefore nowhere like scalp hair, but they do make hair look thicker nevertheless. So I guess, beard hair must be pretty useful in improving thickness even when it doesn't actually match the scalp hair.

A man with fine caliber blonde hair and a coarse black beard would be about the worst candidate for beard hair grafting to the scalp, IMO. I saw photos of such a person and thought oh crap! When I actually met him in person after more grafts were placed and grew in, plus some hair styling savvy, he looked good and his hair didn't attract attention. When using beard hair that doesn't match the scalp hair, it will look natural if it's spread carefully all over the scalp and not placed too densely.

We had a patient in a while back who had quite a hybrid hair restoration. Dr. Wong did his strip, Dr. Woods added body hair and Dr. Cole added more body hair. The patient had dark hair and he looked great in person. 100% natural. He used to post as "juiceman". Juiceman was one of those guys that was determined not to be bald and just kept hitting his thin and bald areas with grafts.

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[baldozer]

However, remember that in people with straight and fine hair, the added curl of the beard hair graft can produce an unwanted and unacceptable contrast to the existing scalp hair.

Well, the same can be said about body hair, part or the reason why it doesn't look natural is that chest hair is always curly and it doesn't suit people with straight hair, and most people have straight hair.

There is Indian doc dr bhatti who puts beard and bht hair into hairline..

Hair fibers are also pretty random in shape and therefore nowhere like scalp hair, but they do make hair look thicker nevertheless. So I guess, beard hair must be pretty useful in improving thickness even when it doesn't actually match the scalp hair.

[didi]

However, remember that in people with straight and fine hair, the added curl of the beard hair graft can produce an unwanted and unacceptable contrast to the existing scalp hair.

Well, the same can be said about body hair, part or the reason why it doesn't look natural is that chest hair is always curly and it doesn't suit people with straight hair, and most people have straight hair.

There is Indian doc dr bhatti who puts beard and bht hair into hairline..

[35YrsAfter]

How does twice the caliber offers four times more coverage?

Here is a segment from one of Dr. Cole's studies:

The final length of the hair growth with the beard hair transplant suggested that most of the grafted beard hairs began their growth at the very beginning, assuming a mean growth rate in the range of 0.4 mm/day, like scalp hair. Most body hair shows growth at the rate of 0.2 mm/day, but this increases to as much as 0.35 mm/day when they are transplantation onto the scalp. It is seen that beard hair grafts grow much faster than most other body hair types. Another advantage of using beard hair for such transplantation is the results are much more cosmetic even when other sources produce similar or even slightly higher rates of yield. The rationale for such an improved coverage lies in the higher diameter of the beard hair shaft, which gives improved volume. As a general rule, double the diameter of hair shafts, and you quadruple the volume of hair because a cylinder of hair has the volume: V = Õ r2 h. also body hair can seem to become finer when it is transplanted to the scalp, but beard hair retains its diameter. Additionally, beard hair grows with a typical wave that enhances the coverage and volume. This makes beard hair grafts ideal for a cosmetic benefit and improved coverage of the scalp compared to other types of body hair. However, remember that in people with straight and fine hair, the added curl of the beard hair graft can produce an unwanted and unacceptable contrast to the existing scalp hair.

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[baldozer]

I got some growth from leg hair. We have a patient who had his temples rebuilt using leg hair. He uses Latisse to help with the leg hair length.

Body hair only works with some patients. I had some leg hair grafted to the top of my head in a study conducted by Dr. Cole several years back. The hair grew but faded over time. Chest and stomach hair is better than leg hair. Beard hair is better than chest hair and scalp hair is better than beard hair. The yield is good (90%) when ACell is administered when beard hair is grafted. Beard hair usually has a curl and is often more coarse than scalp hair. Beard hair extraction sites heal remarkably well. Beard hair can look great and add considerable density when carefully placed. It is usually twice the caliber of head hair. Twice the caliber offers four times the coverage.

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How does twice the caliber offers four times more coverage?